1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:10,000 HE'S ESSENTIALLY A FREE MAN 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,000 AFTER A SENTENCING HEARING THIS 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 MORNING AT THE FEDERAL 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 COURTHOUSE IN SAN FRANCISCO. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,000 KRON 4'S JULIE LUCK REPORTS. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] >> Reporter: CHEERS ERUPTED 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 AT THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE WHEN 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 NEWS TRICKLED DOWN TO MEDICAL 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 MARIJUANA ADVOCATES THAT ED 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 ROSENTHAL RECEIVED A LIGHT 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 SENTENCE. >> I'M SO HAPPY AND SO GRATEFUL 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 TO THE JUDGE. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 >> Reporter: THE 58-YEAR-OLD 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWER WAS 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 SENTENCED TO ONE DAY IN JAIL, 16 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 TIME HE'S ALREADY SERVED. 17 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 >> I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DAY 18 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 IN JAIL IS JUSTICE. 19 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 NOBODY SHOULD SERVEANY TIME. 20 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME. 21 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL 22 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA. 23 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] >> Reporter: ROSENTHAL WAS 24 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 CONVICTED IN FEDERAL COURT IN 25 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 FEBRUARY FOR GROWING 100 PLANTS 26 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 OF POT. 27 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 A JURY FOUND HIM GUILTY OF 28 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 THREE COUNTS OF MARIJUANA 29 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 CULTIVATION. 30 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 LATER, SEVERAL JURORS CAME 31 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,000 FORWARD TO PROTEST THE 32 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 CONVICTION CLAIMING THEY WERE 33 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 NOT ALLOWED TO HEAR ALL THE 34 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 EVIDENCE. ROSENTHAL HAD BEEN WORKING WITH 35 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,000 OAKLAND CITY OFFICIALS AND SOLD 36 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,000 MARIJUANA TO PATIENTS WHICH IS 37 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,000 LEGAL UNDER A 1996 LAW PASSED 38 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 BY CALIFORNIA VOTERS. 39 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000 AT A PRESS CONFERENCE AFTER THE 40 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 SENTENCING, ROSENTHAL CALLED 41 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,000 FOR THE JUDGE TO RESIGN AND FOR 42 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 AN INVESTIGATION OF THE FEDERAL 43 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,000 GOVERNMENT'S HANDLING OF THE 44 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 CASE. 45 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 >> HE DID NOT ALLOW THE JURY TO 46 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,000 HEAR THE FULL STORY. 47 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. 48 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 IT IS CORRUPT. 49 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 >> I DO NOT THINK THAT JUDGE 50 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 BREYER IS CORRUPT AND I DON'T 51 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 THINK HE'S A BAD JUDGE BUT I 52 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH ED 53 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,000 ROSENTHAL WHEN HE SAYS THAT THE 54 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 RULINGS MADE IN THIS CASE WERE 55 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 WRONG. >> Reporter: ROSENTHAL COULD 56 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 HAVE BEEN SENTENCED TO A 57 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 MAXIMUM OF 60 YEARS BEHIND 58 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 BARS. 59 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 PROSECUTORS WERE ASKING FOR 6 60 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 1/2 YEARS. 61 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 >> THE WAY I FEEL RIGHT NOW IS 62 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 OVERWHELMING. I HAD ALMOST LOST HOPE. 63 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 >> Reporter: ROSENTHAL WAS 64 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 ALSO FINED $1,000. 65 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 HE'LL ALSO BEN THREE YEARS OF 66 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,000 UNSUPERVISED PROBATION, TIME IN 67 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 WHICH HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO GROW 68 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 OR POSSESS ANY ILLEGAL 69 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 SUBSTANCES. 70 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,000 OUTSIDE THE SAN FRANCISCO 71 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 FEDERAL COURTHOUSE, JULIE LUCK, 72 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 KRON 4 NEWS. 73 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 >> U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL GEORGE 74 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 BEVAN DECLINED INTERVIEWS AFTER 75 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 THE SENTENCING. 76 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,000 MEANWHILE ROSENTHAL'S ATTORNEY 77 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 HE MAINTAINED THAT HE GREW THE 78 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 PLANT FOR MEDICINAL USE. 79 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT JURORS 80 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 AT HIS FEDERAL TRIAL WERE 81 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 NEVER TOLD. 82 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 83 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN 84 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 MEDICAL AND RECREATIONAL 85 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,000 MARIJUANA. THEY ARE RIGHT. 86 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,000 ALL MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL! 87 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 [ CHEERING ] 88 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 >> THE COURT-ORDERED HIM TO 89 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 PAY $1,000 FINE. 90 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF NINE 91 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 STATES THAT ALLOWS MEDICAL 92 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 MARIJUANA USE. 93 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 THE U.S. ATTORNEY IS NOT 94 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 OAKLAND'S GURU OF BEGAN 95 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 GENTLEMAN. 96 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,000 ED ROSENTHAL COULD HAVE GOTTEN 97 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000 0 YEARS IN PRISON FOR 98 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA 99 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 FOR THE CITY'S CAN BUS CLUB. 100 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,000 HE WALKED AWAY NEARLY 101 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 SCOT-FREE. 102 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 CAROLYN JOHNSON HAS MORE. 103 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000 >> Reporter: ED ROESZ 104 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 ROSENTHAL LEFT THE COURTHOUSE 105 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,000 WITH HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND 106 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 STEPPED INTO A CROWD OF 107 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,000 HUNDREDS OF SUPPORTERS. 108 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 JUDGE CHARLES BREYER SENTENCED 109 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 HIM TO JUST ONE DAY IN PRISON 110 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 WITH CREDIT FOR TIME SERVES 111 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 DESPITE THE PROSECUTION'S 112 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 RECOMMENDATION OF 6.5 YEARS. 113 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 APPLAUSE, CHEERS, AND TEARS 114 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 BROKE IN AND OUT THE 115 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 COURTROOM. 116 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 >> MYSELF, ALL OF A SUDDEN, 117 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 JUST TEARS ARE BEGINNING TO 118 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 ROLL DOWN MY CHEEK. AND I'M THINKING MY GOD, THIS 119 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 IS INCREDIBLE. 120 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,000 WATCHING THIS MERCY OCCURRING 121 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 IN THE MIDST OF OUR JUDICIAL 122 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 SYSTEM. >> Reporter: PAM WAS ONE OF 123 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 THE JURORS WHO FOUND 124 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,000 ROWSENTHAL GUILTY BUT THE 125 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,000 JUDGE DID NOT ALLOW THE JURY 126 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000 TO HEAR HIS DEFENSE THAT HE 127 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 WAS GROWING POT AS AN AGENT 128 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,000 FOR OAKLAND'S MEDICAL 129 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 MARIJUANA PROGRAM. 130 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 >> OAKLAND PASSED A ORDINANCE 131 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 SAYING THOSE PEOPLE ARE 132 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 ENTITLED TO IMMUNITY UNDER 133 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 THAT FEDERAL STATUTE. 134 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 >> Reporter: ED BELIEVES HIS 135 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 ONE DAY SENTENCE IS ONE DAY 136 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 TOO MUCH. 137 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 >> PEOPLE ARE REALLY THANKFUL 138 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,000 FOR THE JUDGE DID. 139 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 HE DID ME NO FAVORS. 140 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 DID HE MARIJUANA NO FAVORS. 141 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A 142 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 FELON BECAUSE HE DID NOT ALLOW 143 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 THE JURY TO HEAR THE FULL 144 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 STORY. >> Reporter: BUT PROSECUTOR 145 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 GEORGE BEVEN SAID IN COURT 146 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 THIS OPERATION IS A CASH COW. 147 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 HE PUT OUT THOUSANDS AND 148 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 THOUSANDS OF PLANTS. 149 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 I DON'T THINK ANYONE DISAGREES 150 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 WITH HELPING SICK PEOPLE. 151 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 BUT AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED, 152 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 THIS IS A BUSINESS. 153 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 >> Reporter: THE FEDERAL 154 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 GOVERNMENT IS KPAPTED TO 155 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 APPEAL THE SENTENCE. 156 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 AS FOR ED, HE WILL BE ON 157 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 SUPERVISED RELEASE FOR THE 158 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 NEXT THREE YEARS DURING WHICH 159 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 TIME HIS CARS AND HIS HOME 160 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 WILL BE SUBJECT TO SEARCH N. 161 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 SAN FRANCISCO, CAROLYN JOHNSON, 162 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 ABC 7 NEWS. 163 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 >>> VOTERS IN FIVE BAY AREA 164 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE APPROVED 165 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,000 PARCEL TAX/lcçlç;wM 166 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 OF THE MOTIVATION. 167 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 >> Reporter: THEY'LL APPEAL TO 168 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 THE 9th CIRCUIT COURT TO GET 169 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 THE CONVICTIONS COMPLETELY 170 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 OVERTURNED. 171 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 KRON 4 NEWS. >> THANKS. 172 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 ED ROSENTHAL ORDERED TO SERVE 173 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 THREE YEARS UNSUPERVISED 174 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 PROBATION, A FINE AND NOT TO 175 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 GO GROW OR POSSESS ILLEGAL 176 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 SUBSTANCES. 177 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 >>> A ROUGH 178 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 >>> THE MAN KNOWN AS A GURU 179 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 GOT A MUCH SHORTER SENTENCE 180 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 THAN EXPECTED TODAY. 181 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 HE FACED SIX AND A HALF YEARS 182 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,000 FOR PRISON FOR GROWING THE 183 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,000 STUFF. 184 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,000 >> Reporter: ED IS NOW SMILING 185 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 WITH HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER BY 186 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 HIS SIDE. 187 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 MISS MOMENT BEFORE INSIDE THE 188 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,000 COURTROOM, THE JUDGE RULED 189 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 ROSENTHAL WOULD ONLY HAVE TO 190 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 SPEND ONE DAY IN FEDERAL 191 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000 PRISON AND GIVING HIM CREDIT 192 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 FOR TIME SERVED. 193 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 >> I'M THANKFUL FOR WHAT THE 194 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 JUDGE DID. HE DID ME NO FAVORS. 195 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 HE DID MARIJUANA NO FAVORS. 196 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A 197 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 FELON. >> Reporter: FEDERAL 198 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 PROSECUTORS WANTED A MUCH 199 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 LONGER SENTENCE. 200 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 HOWEVER THE JUDGE AGREED 201 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 ROSENTHAL THOUGHT HE WAS 202 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 PROTECTED UNDER STAT AND 203 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 LOCAL LAWS. 204 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 WHICH ALLOWED MARIJUANA USE 205 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES. 206 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 >> THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL 207 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA. 208 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 >> Reporter: WHILE SUPPORTERS 209 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 CELEBRATED TODAY THERE IS A 210 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 TWIST. THE JUDGE ALSO RULED IN FUTURE 211 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,000 CASES PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW 212 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 FEDERAL LAW TRUM PS THE STATE 213 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000 A WARNING THAT OTHER GROWERS 214 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,000 COULD FACE STIFFER SENTENCES. 215 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 THEY QUICKLY LEFT THE 216 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 COURTHOUSE. 217 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 ROSENTHALL'S ATTORNEY SAID AN 218 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 APPEAL IS LIKELY GOING TO BE 219 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 THE CASE. 220 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000 >>> THE TIME THE GURU 221 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000 OF GANJA WAS SENTENCED TODAY. 222 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 >> PROSECUTORS PLAID TO ASK 223 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 FOR SIX YEARS. 224 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 BILL SCHECHNER REPORTS ON WHAT 225 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,000 HE ACTUALLY GOT. 226 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,000 >> Reporter: A HAPPY ED 227 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,000 ROSENTHAL WALKED OUT OF 228 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 FEDERAL COURT. 229 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 PROSECUTORS SOUGHT SIX YEARS. 230 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 HE WAS SENTENCED TO ONE DAY, 231 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 THE TIME HE SERVED WHEN HE WAS 232 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 ARRESTED. 233 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000 >> DAY ONE IN THE CRUSADE TO 234 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 BRING DOWN THE MARIJUANA LAWS. 235 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 >> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL'S 236 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 EXCITEMENT IS UNDERSTANDABLE, 237 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 BUT THE DECISION IS LIMITED TO 238 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 HIM. STILL HIS WAS A REMARKABLE 239 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 CASE. A WELL-KNOWN MARIJUANA AUTHOR 240 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 AND ACTIVIST WHO WAS CONVICTED 241 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000 LAST FEBRUARY OF GROWING 242 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 MARIJUANA FOR SALE. 243 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 HIS DEFENSE WAS, HE WAS 244 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 DEPUTYIZED BY THE CITY OF 245 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 OAKLAND TO PROVIDE MARIJUANA 246 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,000 FOR THE POT CLUB. 247 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,000 WHY DO YOU THINK YOU WERE 248 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 INDICTED? 249 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 >> I WAS A TROPHY. 250 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 I WAS WELL-KNOWN. 251 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 THEY WANTED TO PUT A SCARE IN 252 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 THE COMMUNITY. >> Reporter: THE JUDGE RULED 253 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,000 THAT THE OAKLAND CONNECTION 254 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 WAS IRRELEVANT. 255 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 SOME JURORS SAID IF THEY HEARD 256 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 THE EVIDENCE, THEY WOULDN'T 257 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 HAVE VOTED TO CONVICT HIM. 258 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 THE APPEAL WILL SAY THAT THE 259 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 JUDGE WAS WRONG THAT THE CITY 260 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 CAN DEPUTIZE SOMEONE. 261 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 >> IF OVERTURNED, IT COULD 262 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 HAVE AN ENORMOUS AFFECT. 263 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 >> Reporter: TODAY'S 264 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 SENTENCING DECISION TURNED ON 265 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 MOTIVE. THE PROSECUTOR SAID THAT ED 266 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 ROSENTHAL WAS RUNNING A DRUG 267 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 BUSINESS, A CASH COW HE CALLED 268 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 IT. 269 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SAYS THAT 270 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 ED ROSENTHAL BELIEVED THE LAW 271 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,000 TYING HIM TO OAKLAND SAID THAT 272 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 HE WAS NOT COMMITTING A CRIME. 273 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 ED ROSENTHAL APPEARED SINCERE, 274 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 SO HIS SENTENCE SHOULD BE 275 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 LIGHT SAID THE JUDGE. 276 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,000 AMONG THOSE PRESENT, HIS 277 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. 278 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 >> EVEN WHEN YOU THINK THAT 279 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 YOU HAVE LOST, YOU CAN STILL 280 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 MAKE IT. TO ME, HE HAS WON. 281 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 >> WE HAVE TO END THIS. 282 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,000 WE HAVE TO END THIS RIGHT NOW. 283 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 STOP THESE LAWS! 284 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 THANK YOU. 285 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 >> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL'S 286 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,000 APPEAL IS ON FILE. 287 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,000 >>> UP NEXT PRE MONICA LOUEN SKR 288 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 IS HOT TOPIC. 289 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000 >> Reporter: AT THE TIME, THE 290 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,000 BODY LANGUAGE SEEMED TO TELL 291 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,000 THE STORY, BUT UNTIL NOW, SHE 292 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 HASN'T. AS THE CLINTONS LEFT IN 293 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 MARTHA'S VINEYARD IN AUGUST 294 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 1998, AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON 295 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,000 ADMITTED BETRAYING HIS WIFE, 296 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,000 THEIR DOG BUDDY WAS THE ONLY 297 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 MEMBER OF THE FAMILY WILLING 298 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 TO KEEP THE PRESIDENT COMPANY. 299 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,000 AT THE EXCERPTS OBTAINED BY 300 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ARE ANY 301 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,000 INDICATION, SHE VIVIDLY 302 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 RECOUNTS HOW IN THE HEIGHT OF 303 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 THE SCANDAL, THE PRESIDENT 304 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 WOKE HER UP IN THE WHITE HOUSE 305 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 TO TELL HER THE TRUTH ABOUT 306 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 HIS AFFAIR. 307 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,000 ONLY 48 HOURS BEFORE 308 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 TESTIFYING ABOUT IT AND 309 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 TELLING THE REST OF THE WORLD. 310 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 I CAN HARDLY BREATHE, SHE 311 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 WRITES. 312 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 GULPING FOR AIR, I STARTED 313 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 CRYING AND YELLING AT HIM. 314 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,000 WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 315 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? 316 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 WHY DID YOU LIE TO ME? 317 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 I WAS FURIOUS AND GETTING MORE 318 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 SO BY THE SECOND. 319 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 HE JUST STOOD THERE SAYING 320 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I'M 321 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 SORRY. 322 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I'M SO SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU 323 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 AND CHELSEA. 324 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,000 ON VACATION IN MARTHA'S 325 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,000 VINEYARD, SHE SAYS SHE FELT 326 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 SADNESS AND ANGER. 327 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 I COULD BARELY SPEAK TO BILL. 328 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,000 AND WHEN I DID, IT WAS A 329 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 TIRADE. 330 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,000 I READ, I WALKED. 331 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 HE SLEPT DOWN STAIRS. 332 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 I SLEPT UPSTAIRS. 333 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 >> I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL 334 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN. 335 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 >> Reporter: MONTHS EARLIER 336 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 MAKING THE PUBLIC DENIAL, HE 337 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 WAS ALSO LYING TO HIS WIFE IN 338 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 PRIVATE. 339 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,000 MRS. CLINTON BELIEVED HIM AND 340 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 FAMOUSLY WENT ON NATIONAL 341 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 TELEVISION UNWITTINGLY 342 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000 REPEATING THE LIES AND 343 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000 DENOUNCING THE REPORTS ABOUT 344 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 LOUEN SKI AS THE PRODUCT OF A 345 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000 VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY. 346 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 AFTER LEARNING THE TRUTH, SHE 347 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,000 SAID SHE CONFRONTED ONE OF THE 348 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS OF 349 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 HER LIFE, WHETHER TO STAY 350 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 MARRIED TO BILL CLINTON. 351 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 >> I AM A PRIVATE PERSON, AND 352 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 IT WAS DIFFICULT TO WRITE THE 353 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 BOOK. 354 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,000 BUT I WANTED TO GIVE A 355 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 COMPLETE ACCOUNTING OF MY 356 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 EIGHT YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE 357 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 WITH MY HSBAND, AND IT WAS AN 358 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 EXTRAORDINARY PRIVILEGE TO 359 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 360 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,000 >> Reporter: MRS. CLINTON SAYS 361 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 WHY HER HUSBAND FELT HE NEEDED 362 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 TO BETRAY HER IS HIS STORY AND 363 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,000 BILL CLINTON WILL DO JUST THAT 364 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,000 IN HIS MEMOIRS NEXT YEAR. 365 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 JONATHAN KARL, CNN, CAPITOL 366 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,000 HILL. >>> THE 500-PLUS PAGE BOOK 367 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 HITS THE STORES ON MONDAY. 368 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 THE PUBLISHER, SIMON AND 369 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 SHOOUSER, ORDERED 1 MILLIONIJUAA 370 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 WILL SPEND NO TIME CONVICTED UR 371 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,000 FEDERAL LAWS FOR GROWING MORE 372 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 THAN 100 MARIJUANA PLANTS. 373 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 BUT HE CLAIMED HE WAS 374 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 PROTECTED UNDER CALIFORNIA'S 375 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAW. 376 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000 >>> A FEDERAL FUGITIVE WANTED 377 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 ON WEAPONS VIOLATIS ING 378 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,000 >>> WELL, NEXT, A DAY OF xÑA 379 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 CONFIDENT SMILE FROM AMELA 380 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,000 . SHE IS THE DAUGHTER OF 1980. 381 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 MISS USA WAS ELIMINATED EVEN 382 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 BEFORE THE FINALS. 383 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 SHE DIDN'T STAND A CHANCE. 384 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 >> YOU PICKED HER OUT. 385 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 >> I DID LAST NIGHT. 386 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 I THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE THE ONE 387 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 EARLY ON IN THE BROADCAST. 388 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 SHE IS VERY TALL AND SHE IS 389 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 STRIKING. 390 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 SHE STOOD OUT. 391 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 SHE WAS DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY 392 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 ELSE. 393 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,000 >> 18 YEARS OLD AND THAT 394 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 CONFIDENCE! 395 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,000 THIS IS LIKE YES!WEH. 396 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED 397 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 ROSENTHAL IS NOT CLAIMING A 398 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 VICTORY, THOUGH. 399 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 TOMAS ROMAN EXPLAINS WHY. 400 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,000 >> ED ROSENTHAL GIVEN ONE DAY, 401 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 TIME SERVED. 402 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 >> Reporter: ED ROSENTHAL IS 403 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 NOW A FREE MAN, BUT STILL, A 404 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 CONVICTED FELON. 405 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,000 HE WAS CONVICTED OF THREE 406 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 COUNTS OF CULTIVATING 407 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,000 MARIJUANA IN OAKLAND LAST 408 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 JANUARY 31st. 409 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000 DESPITE THE SENTENCE, 410 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 ROSENTHAL WAS ANGRY. 411 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,000 >> THIS JUDGE MADE ME INTO A 412 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 TRIPLE FELON. 413 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,000 HE DIDN'T DO ME ANY FAVORS. 414 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 >> Reporter: THE SUPPORTERS OF 415 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,000 ROSENTHAL THOUGHT HE WOULD 416 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,000 SERVE 5 TO 60 YEARS IF PRISON 417 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 FOR MN THAN 100 PLANTS. 418 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 NOT JUST ONE DAY, TIME SERVED. 419 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 THE ATTORNEYS SAW IN THE 420 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 SENTENCE POTENTIAL GROUNDS FOR 421 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 A SUCCESSFUL APPEAL. 422 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 >> HE MADE A FINDING THAT ED'S 423 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 BELIEF IN THE LEGALITY OF WHAT 424 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 HE WAS DOING WAS ENTIRELY 425 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 REASONABLE. 426 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000 >> Reporter: FEDERAL 427 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000 PROSECUTORS WANTED FIVE YEARS 428 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 FOR THE CULTIVATION OF 429 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 MARIJUANA. THEY SAID ROSENTHAL SHOWED NO 430 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,000 REMORSE AND CALLED IT A CASH 431 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,000 COW AND NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY 432 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 OTHER DRUG DEALER. 433 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 THE JUDGE SAW HIM AS A MAN 434 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 THAT BELIEVED HE WAS THOUGHT 435 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,000 HE WAS IMMUNE FROM FEDERAL 436 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 PROSECUTION. 437 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 ROSENTHAL, IT WAS A CALL TO 438 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,000 ARMS. >> THIS IS DAY ONE IN THE CREW 439 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 SAID TO BRING DOWN THE 440 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 MARIJUANA LAWS. 441 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 ALL OF THE MARIJUANA LAWS. 442 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 RRN THE ATTORNEYS ARGUE THAT 443 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,000 ROSENTHAL CONVICTED BECAUSE A 444 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,000 JURY NEVER KNEW HE WAS GROWING 445 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 IT FOR THE CITY OF OAKLAND. 446 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 THAT OMISSION AND THE 447 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,000 CONVICTION THE ATTORNEYS WILL 448 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 TACKLE NEXT. >> IT WILL BE ABOUT THE RIGHT 449 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 TO PRESENT A DEFENSE TO THE 450 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 JURY WHICH IS FEDERAL LAW AND 451 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,000 ABOUT THE RIGHT OF 452 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 MUNICIPALITIES TO CREATE SPACE 453 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 UNDER FEDERAL LAW FOR THE -- 454 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000 THOSE THAT GROW MEDICAL 455 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 MARIJUANA. >> Reporter: THERE ARE OTHER 456 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,000 CASES SIMILAR TO ROSENTHAL'S 457 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 PRESENTLY IN FEDERAL COURT. 458 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 TODAY'S SENTENCE MAY HAVE 459 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 LITTLE AFFECT ON FUTURE 460 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 CONVICTIONS BUT HELP IN 461 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 SENTENCING. 462 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 >> WHEN A DEFENDANT CAN COME 463 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 FORTH WITH A GOOD FAITH 464 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 DEFENSE, IT'S A DEFENSE THAT 465 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING 466 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE DURING 467 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 THE TRIAL PHASE, BUT AT THE 468 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 SENTENCING PHASE, IT CAN MAKE 469 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF 470 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 DIFFERENCE. >> Reporter: THE ATTORNEYS SAY 471 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000 IT'S NOT OVER YET. 472 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 THEY'LL APPEAL TO THE 9th 473 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 CIRCUIT COURT TO GET THE 474 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 CONVICTIONS COMPLETELY 475 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000 OVERTURNED. IN SAN FRANCISCO, TOMAS ROMAN, 476 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000 KRON 4 NEWS. 477 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 >> ROSENTHAL WAS FINED $1300 478 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 AND ON PROBATION FOR THE NEXT 479 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 THREE YEARS N. THAT TIME, HE 480 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 CANNOT POSSESS OR GROW ILLEGAL 481 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 SUBSTA 482 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 >> THIS IS DAY 1 IN THE 483 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 CRUSADE TO BRING DOWN THE MARIJUANA LAWS, ALL THE 484 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 MARIJUANA LAWS. 485 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 >> TONIGHT WHAT HIS SURPRISING 486 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000 SENTIMENTS COULD MEAN FOR THE 487 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA MOVEMENT. >>> WHAT DO SCOTT PETERSON'S 488 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 MISTRESS AND THE ED ROSENTHAL, 489 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 KNOWN AS THE GURU OF GANGA 490 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 WALKED OUT OF A FEDERAL 491 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 COURTROOM A FREE MAN TODAY. 492 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 HE FACED SIX-AND-A-HALF YEARS 493 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR GROWING 494 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,000 MARIJUANA BUT AS SHARON 495 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 KATSUDA SHOWS US, THE JUDGE 496 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 SURPRISED A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH 497 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 HIS SENTENCE TODAY. 498 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 [ CHANTING ] 499 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,000 >> Reporter: SUPPORTERS OF ED 500 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 ROSENTHAL GOT THEIR WISH. 501 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 THEY CAMPED OUTSIDE THE 502 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 FEDERAL COURTHOUSE, THEN 503 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,000 MOMENTS LATER SAW ROSENTHAL... 504 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 >> NOBODY SHOULD RETURN 505 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 ANYTIME. THERE SHOULD BE NO 506 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 TIME -- THERE SHOULD BE NO 507 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 CRIMINAL PENALTIES AT ALL FOR 508 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 MARIJUANA! >> Reporter: A SHORT TIME 509 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 EARLIER INSIDE THE COURTROOM, 510 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,000 JUST CHARLES BRIER SENTENCED 511 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 ROSENTHAL TO ONLY 1 DAY IN 512 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 FEDERAL PRISON. 513 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000 ROSENTHAL WON'T SERVE EVEN 514 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 THAT, GETTING CREDIT FOR TIME 515 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 ALREADY SERVED. 516 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 >> I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR 517 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 WHAT JUDGE BRIER DID. 518 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,000 HE DID ME NO FAVORS. 519 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,000 HE DID MARIJUANA NO FAVORS. 520 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 PEOPLE ARE THANKFUL FOR JUDGE 521 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000 BRIER. 522 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000 WHAT HE DID IS HE MADE ME A 523 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000 FELON. 524 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000 >> Reporter: ALL ALONG 525 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000 ROSENTHAL ARGUED HE WAS 526 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000 PROTECTED BY STATE AND LOCAL 527 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,000 LAWS. BUT THE JUDGE NEVER ALLOWED 528 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 JURORS TO HEAR THAT EVIDENCE. 529 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 PROPOSITION 15 VOTED IN 1996 530 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 ALLOWS MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL 531 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 USE, AND THE CITY OF OAKLAND 532 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 PASSED THE LAW TO PROTECT 533 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 GROWERS. 534 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 >> THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNEW 535 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 THAT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS 536 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000 ACTED IN BAD FAITH AND THEY'RE 537 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000 REALLY DRUG DEALERS AT HEART, 538 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 AND THE JUDGE CERTAINLY TODAY 539 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 SAID PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED 540 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 IN THIS MOVEMENT HAVE ACTED IN 541 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 GOOD FAITH. >> Reporter: BUT THE JUDGE 542 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 ALSO RULED IN FUTURE CASES 543 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW FEDERAL LAW 544 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000 TRUMPS THE STATE, A WARNING 545 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 THIS MAY BE THE LAST LIFE 546 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 SENTENCE FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE. 547 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 >> FEDERAL PROSECUTORS QUICKLY 548 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,000 LEFT THE COURTHOUSE. 549 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 ROSENTHAL'S ATTORNEY SAYS HE 550 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 WILL MOST LIKELY APPEAL THIS 551 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 CASE, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT 552 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,000 FREE FOR ROSENTHAL, BUT ALSO 553 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,000 THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA 554 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 MOVEMENT. 555 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000 SHARON KATSUDA, NBC 11 NEWS. 556 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 >>> ROSENTHAL'S SHORT SENTENCE 557 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 PUT SMILES ON MANY OF THE 558 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 FACES OF MANY MEDICAL 559 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 MARIJUANA USERS WHO FEEL 560 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 THEY'VE BEEN UNJUSTLY TARGETED 561 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 BY THE FEDS. 562 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 ANGEL SAYS SHE VAPORIZES AND 563 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,000 INHALES CANNABIS TO HELP 564 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 CONTROL SEVERE PAIN AND DEAL 565 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,000 WITH SEVERAL LIFE-THREATENING 566 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 MEDICAL PROBLEMS. 567 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 SHE SAYS THE JUDGE'S SENTENCE 568 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 COULD BEGIN CLEARING A FEDERAL 569 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 LEGAL CLOUD HANGING OVER 570 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWERS AND 571 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000 USERS. 572 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 >> IT'S A SIGN THAT MAYBE THE 573 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,000 TRIMS ALSO CHANGING AND, I 574 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 THINK THAT IT ALSO IS GOOD 575 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 BECAUSE IT ALSO RESTORES HOPE 576 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 WITHIN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY. 577 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 THERE'S SO MANY OF US SICK, 578 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 DISABLED AND HE DYING AMERICANS THAT REALLY DEPEND 579 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 ON THIS MEDICINE. 580 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000 . 581 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000 >> SHE SAYS SHE'S INVOLVED IN 582 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 ONE OF DOZENS OF THE CANNABIS 583 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 CASES IN THE CALIFORNIA COURT 584 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000 SYSTEM THAT COULD BE AFFECTED 585 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,000 BY TODAY'S VERDICT. 586 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,000 >>> SO WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF 587 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,000 THE GROWING NUMBER OF STATES 588 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 ALLOWING MEDICAL MARIJUANA? 589 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 POLITICAL ANALYST LARRY GURSON 590 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 WILL TALK ABOUT THAT COMING 591 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000 NEW OUR SECONúIM TO 592 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 ONE DAY IN PRISON WHICH HE HAD 593 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 SERVED. 594 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 HE SET HIM FREE AFTER 595 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 CREDITING HIM FOR THAT TIME 596 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 SERVED. 597 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 HE WAS CONVICTED IN JANUARY OF 598 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,000 GROWING MORE THAN 100 599 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 MARIJUANA PLANTS IN A 600 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000 WAREHOUSE OAKLAND. 601 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 PLANTS HE SAYS WERE LEGAL 602 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 UNDER CALIFORNIA'S MEDICAL 603 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 MARIJUANA LAW. 604 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 >> I DON'T THINK THAT ONE DAY 605 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 IN JAIL IS JUSTICE. 606 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000 NOBODY SHOULD SERVE ANY TIME. 607 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,000 THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME. 608 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 THERE SHOULD BE NO CRIMINAL 609 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000 PENALTIES AT ALL FOR MARIJUANA. 610 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 >> ED ROSENTHAL SAYS HE WAS 611 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 GROWING THE PLANTS FOR THE 612 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLAN. 613 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 HE COULD HAVE BEEN SENTENCED 614 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 TO 60 YEARS IN PRISON. 615 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,000 >>> IN THE SOUTH BAY, A 616 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 to7#]sgñ 617 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 FOR GROWING 100 PLANTS AT A 618 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 WAREHOUSE. AND HE MAINTAINED THAT HE GRW 619 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,000 THE PLANT FOR MEDICINAL 620 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 REASONS. 621 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE 622 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 JURORS AT THIS TRIAL WERE 623 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 NEVER TOLD. 624 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 >> I WAS TROPHY THEY KNEW THAT 625 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 I WAS WELL KNOWN, THEY WANTED 626 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 TO PUT A SCARE INTO THE 627 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 COMMUNITY. 628 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 >> THE COURT ORDERED HIM TO 629 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000 PAY A $1,000 FINE AND PUT HIM 630 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 ON SUPERVISED RELEASE FOR 3 631 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 YEARS AND CALIFORNIA IS ONE OF 632 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,000 NINE STATES THAT ALLOWS 633 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA USE THE 634 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,000 >>> CONVICTED MEDICAL 635 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000 MARIJUANA GRANDMOTHER ED 636 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,000 ROSENTHAL IS NOW A FREE MAN. 637 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 A FEDERAL JUDGE SENTENCED HIM 638 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000 TO ONE DAY IN PRISON, THEN 639 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 GAVE ROSENTHAL CREDIT FOR TIME 640 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,000 SERVED AND LET HIM WALK OUT OF 641 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,000 THE COURTROOM. THE JURY CONVICTED ROSENTHAL 642 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000 VIOLATING FEDERAL LAWS BY 643 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 GROWING THE MARIJUANA. 644 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000 MANY JURORS LATER PROTESTED 645 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER 646 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 ALLOWED TO HEAR THE POT WAS 647 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 FOR MEDICAL USE ONLY. 648 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 THE HIGH-PROFILE CASE 649 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 ILLUSTRATES THE GROWING CLASH 650 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 BETWEEN CALIFORNIA AND FEDERAL LAW. 651 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,000 >>> NBC 11'S POLITICAL ANALYST 652 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,000 LARRY GUR STEN IS HERE TO TALK 653 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000 ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS 654 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000 POLITICAL FIGHT. HE LARRY, IS IT LEGAL OR NOT 655 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,000 TO GROW MEDICAL MARIJUANA HERE 656 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000 IN CALIFORNIA? 657 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 >> WELL, IT DEPENDS WHO YOU 658 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 ASK. 659 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 FOR EXAMPLE, IN CALIFORNIA, WE 660 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,000 PASSED PROPOSITION 215 IN 1996, 661 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,000 WHICH ALLOWS MARIJUANA FOR 662 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 MEDICAL PURPOSES. BUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS 663 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000 REPEATEDLY SAID THAT THE FDA 664 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,000 CAN REGULATE IT, AND THE FDA'S 665 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000 CONSIDERED THIS A DRUG. 666 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000 SO THERE YOU HAVE THE STAND 667 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 OUF INSIDE YOU KNOW, SO MANY 668 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY SAY 669 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 THIS STATE IS OUT OF TOUCH. 670 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,000 ARE WE MARCHING TO A DIFFERENT 671 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 BEAT HE HERE, LARRY? 672 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 >> YOU KNOW WHAT, THE WHOLE 673 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000 IDEA OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS REALLY KIND OF CATCHING ON. 674 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,000 TAKE A LOOK AT THE GROWING 675 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 LIST OF STATES THAT NOW ALLOW 676 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL 677 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 PURPOSES. ALASKA, CALIFORNIA, OF COURSE, 678 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 COLORADO, HAWAII, MAINE, 679 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000 MARYLAND, THE NEWEST STATE, 680 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 NEVADA, OREGON AND WASHINGTON. 681 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,000 SO WE'RE REALLY SEEING 682 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GOING ON, 683 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,000 AND MORE AND MORE STATES ARE 684 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 FALLING INTO LINE WITH THIS 685 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000 ISSUE. >> AND SO ARE MORE AND MORE 686 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,000 STATES DEFYING OR DISPUTING 687 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000 THIS FEDERAL LAW? 688 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,000 WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? 689 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 >> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL, 690 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 LISA BUT JUST THINK ABOUT THE 691 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 WHOLE IDEA OF PROHIBITION, THE 692 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 18th AMENDMENT AND REPEATED IN 693 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 THE 21st AND HOW THAT HAPPENED 694 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 , ARE YOU ON THE LIST?ATE SAID 695 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 >> I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES 696 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY. >> REALLY? 697 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 WHOA. 698 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 >> INSIDE THE CANAL STREET 699 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 BROTHEL. 700 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Captioning sponsored by THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION 701 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,000 and CBS 702 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000 >> Stahl: GOOD EVENING, AND 703 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,000 WELCOME TO "48 HOURS 704 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 INVESTIGATES." 705 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,000 I'M LESLEY STAHL. 706 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 BY REPUTATION, AT LEAST, NEW 707 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,000 ORLEANS JUST MIGHT BE THE MOST 708 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,000 CAREFREE CITY IN THE COUNTRY. 709 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 BUT THIS STORY IS BOUND TO 710 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 MAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE 711 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 UNEASY. 712 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000 IT'S A RARE LOOK INTO A WORLD 713 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000 PEOPLE KNOW EXISTS, BUT NEVER 714 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000 REALLY TALK ABOUT. 715 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU 716 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000 THE INNER WORKINGS OF A BROTHEL, 717 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000 AS REVEALED BY THE WOMEN WHO RAN 718 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 IT-- A BUSINESS THAT OPERATED 719 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 WITH TEXTBOOK EFFICIENCY, AND 720 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,000 WAS ENORMOUSLY PROFITABLE. 721 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000 THIS STORY IS BOUND TO RAISE 722 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 QUESTIONS ABOUT MORALS, AND ALSO 723 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000 PERHAPS ABOUT HOW THE F.B.I. IS 724 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000 SPENDING ITS TIME AND YOUR 725 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,000 MONEY. 726 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000 HAROLD DOW TAKES US INSIDE A 727 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 MOST UNUSUAL FAMILY BUSINESS 728 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE BIG 729 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,000 EASY.  730 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000 >> Reporter: THEY SAY THERE'S 731 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 NOTHING HOTTER THAN A NEW 732 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 ORLEANS KITCHEN IN JULY. BUT LET ME TELL YOU, THE TALK 733 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000 GOT PRETTY SPICY OUT IN THE 734 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000 DINING ROOM THE DAY I SAT DOWN 735 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000 WITH THESE UNCONVENTIONAL 736 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 BUSINESSWOMEN. 737 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,000 >> YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE 738 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,000 TO DO IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. 739 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,000 >> HE GETS THE GOOD JOB. 740 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 I'M MAKING HIM ERVOUS. 741 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 >> WE CHARGE FOR THAT. 742 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000 >> Reporter: GETTING HER 743 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,000 MICROPHONE ON IS JEANETTE MAIER, 744 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000 FORMER MADAM OF THE INFAMOUS 745 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000 CANAL STREET BROTHEL. 746 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000 >> A LOT OF THIS WASN'T ABOUT 747 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,000 SEX. 748 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000 OKAY? A LOT OF IT'S FUN. 749 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,000 >> THEY MAY BE WHORES TO YOU. 750 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000 >> Reporter: THIS IS TOMMIE 751 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000 TAYLOR. 752 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 >> BUT THESE ARE LADIES. 753 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 >> Reporter: SHE RAN THE 754 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000 BROTHEL. 755 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000 >> I RAN A TIGHT, CLEAN 756 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000 BUSINESS. 757 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000 IF IT CAN BE SAID TO BE PROUD 758 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,000 ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I MADE 759 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000 SURE IT WAS RUN RIGHT. 760 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE'S ALSO 761 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000 JEANETTE'S MOTHER. 762 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000 >> MY MOTHER WAS LIKE THE HOUSE 763 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 MOTHER, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY 764 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000 HAD WHAT THEY NEEDED. 765 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000 >> Reporter: AND THE GOING RATE 766 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,000 WAS $300? 767 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,000 >> $300 FOR THE HOUR. 768 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,000 >> Reporter: AND THIS IS PAULA 769 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,000 CHERISH, AN EX-MADAM FROM 770 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 PITTSBURGH. 771 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000 SHE REFERRED WORKING GIRLS TO 772 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000 JEANETTE. 773 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000 WHAT WAS A GOOD WEEK? 774 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,000 >> IT COULD VARY FROM $5,000 TO 775 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,000 $10,000 A WEEK. 776 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000 >> Reporter: THAT'S PRETTY GOO 777 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,000 >> IF IT HADN'T A BEEN FOR THE 778 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 F.B.I., WE'D PROBABLY STILL BE 779 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 CHUGGING RIGHT ALONG, MAKING 780 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 HALF OF THE BUSINESSMEN IN NEW 781 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,000 ORLEANS VERY HAPPY. 782 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000 ( MUSIC PLAYING ) 783 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 >> PARTY! 784 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000 >> THIS CASE REPRESENTS, I FEEL, 785 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 ONE OF THE VILEST FORMS OF 786 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000 RACKETEERING THERE IS, AND 787 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 THAT'S THE EXPLOITATION OF WOMEN 788 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,000 FOR THE SAKE OF A BUCK. 789 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000 >> Reporter: LAST SPRING, 790 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,000 FEDERAL PROSECUTORS SLAPPED 791 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 INDICTMENTS ON JEANETTE, TOMMIE, 792 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 PAULA-- A DOZEN WOMEN IN ALL-- 793 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,000 FOR RUNNING A NATIONWIDE 794 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,000 PROSTITUTION RING. 795 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000 >> I DON'T SEE WHO WE'RE HURTING. 796 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 I DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS A BIG DEAL. 797 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS ALL 798 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000 SHE WAS DOING WAS BRINGING IN 799 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,000 WORKING GIRLS FROM OUT OF STATE, 800 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000 BECAUSE HER CLIENTS WANTED 801 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000 VARIETY. >> WE WEREN'T GOING OUT GRABBING 802 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000 14-YEAR-OLD GIRLS OFF OF THE 803 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000 STREET, MAKING THEM HOOKERS. 804 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000 THESE WERE PROFESSIONAL WOMEN 805 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 WHO BOOKED IN WITH US. 806 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 THE BUST QUICKLY BECAME THE BUTT 807 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000 OF JOKES. 808 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,000 AFTER ALL, PROSTITUTION WAS ONCE 809 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,000 LEGAL HERE IN THE LEGENDARY 810 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 DISTRICT CALLED STORYVILLE. 811 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000 STORYVILLE'S LONG GONE, BUT MANY 812 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 A BROTHEL IS STILL OPEN FOR 813 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,000 BUSINESS. 814 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000 >> CAN YOU BELIEVEj#ç IT? 815 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000 >> IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY. 816 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 >> IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY? 817 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 THRIVING? >> THRIVING. 818 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,000 THRIVING? 819 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 >> THRIVING. 820 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 >> Reporter: ONE COLUMNIST 821 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 WROTE: "ONLY THE F.B.I. COULD 822 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 SPEND A YEAR IN THE FRENCH 823 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 QUARTER AND FIND JUST 12 824 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,000 PROSTITUTES." 825 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 FEDERAL PROSECUTORS TOLD US THEY 826 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000 DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS 827 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 CASE, BUT THE WOMEN THEY 828 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 INDICTED SURE DO. 829 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000 THIS IS THEIR STORY, AT LEAST 830 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000 THE PARTS OF IT WE CAN PUT ON 831 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 NATIONAL TELEVISION. 832 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,000 >> TELL HIM ABOUT BIG LITTLE. 833 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 >> Reporter: DID YOU SAY "BIG 834 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 LITTLE? 835 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 >> WE GIVE THEM NICK NAMES. 836 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 >> BIG LITTLE. 837 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 BIG LITTLE IS KIND OF A BIG 838 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000 JOLLY GUY, AND HE'S A WONDERFUL 839 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000 MAN. 840 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000 HE PREFERS WOMEN SIX FEET OR 841 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000 OVER. 842 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000 >> ANDTHEY HAVE TO WEAR FIVE- 843 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,000 INCH HEELS. 844 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000 >> AND YOU WRESTL AROUND WITH 845 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,000 BIG LITTLE, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY, 846 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 "I'M BIG AND YOU'RE LITTLE," AND 847 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 HE GOES, "NO... ( IN HIGH- 848 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000 PITCHED VOICE )...I AM NOT. I'M 849 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000 BIG, TOO. 850 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000 AND THAT'S HIS THING AND HE 851 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 LOVES IT, SO WE CALL HIM BIG 852 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000 LITTLE, AND HE'S ONE OF OUR 853 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,000 FAVORITE GUY 854 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,000 >> Reporter: HARD TO IMAGINE 855 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000 THAT THIS AND SO MUCH MORE 856 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 HAPPENED ON THIS QUIET STREET IN 857 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000 NEW ORLEANS. 858 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,000 SO, THIS IS CANAL STREET WE'RE 859 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000 ON RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. 860 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000 >> Reporter: SO, THIS IS WHERE 861 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000 YOU HAD THE BROTHEL? 862 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000 >> YES, SIR. 863 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,000 >> Reporter: LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN 864 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,000 A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 865 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000 >> IT IS. 866 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,000 ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A CHURCH RIGHT 867 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000 HERE. 868 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,000 >> Reporter: OH, A CHURCH RIGHT ON THE CORNER, OKAY. 869 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000 SO THIS IS THE PLACE. 870 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,000 >> RIGHT, THE CANAL STREET 871 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000 BROTHEL. 872 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000 >> Reporter: NOW YOU HAVEN'T 873 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000 BEEN BACK HERE IN A WHILE. 874 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000 >> NO, IN FACT IT'S CHANGED A 875 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 LOT. 876 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000 THEY USED TO HAVE TWO CERAMIC 877 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000 TIGERS OUT HERE. 878 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000 >> Reporter: THE CERAMIC TIGERS 879 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000 ARE GONE, BUT WE THOGHT THIS 880 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,000 WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO TALK. 881 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000 >> Reporter: BRING BACK 882 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,000 MEMORIES? 883 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000 >> YES, QUITE A FEW, ACTUALLY. 884 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000 >> Reporter: WHAT ARE DO YOU 885 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,000 THINK WHEN YOU WALK BACK IN HERE 886 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000 TODAY? 887 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000 >> WELL, I MISS IT. 888 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 >> Reporter: YOU MISS IT. 889 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000 >>IT WAS LIKE FAMILY. 890 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000 IT WAS LIKE A SORORITY OF GIRLS. 891 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000 WE'D HANG OUT, WATCH MOVIES, EAT 892 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,000 POPCORN AT NIGHT. 893 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000 I WANTED IT TO BE CLEAN. 894 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000 I WANTED UPSCALE. 895 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000 I WANTED IT... IS IT POSSIBLE TO 896 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 HAVE CLASS IN A BROTHEL? 897 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000 I WANTED IT. 898 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS SHE'S NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE 899 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000 BUSINESS BROUGHT IN, BUT IT WAS 900 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000 LOT. 901 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000 TURNOVER WAS KEY. 902 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000 >> YEAH, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS 903 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,000 THREE-TO-FIVE-MINUTE MAN. 904 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000 >> Reporter: THREE FIVE MINUTE 905 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000 MAN? >> IT TOOK HIM ANYWHERE FROM 906 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000 THREE TO FIVE MINUTES. 907 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 BING, BANG, BOOM-- IN, OUT, GOT 908 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 TO GO BACK TO WORK, GOT TO GO 909 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000 PICK THE KIDS UP TO THE 910 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 ORTHODONTIST. 911 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000 NOW HE PAID FOR THE HOUR. 912 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000 IF HE WANTED TO SIT THERE AND 913 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000 TALK WITH HER, HE COULD DO THAT. 914 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,000 THAT WAS HIS HOUR. 915 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,000 >> Reporter: HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN THE CANAL STREET 916 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000 BROTHEL? 917 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000 >> I WAS UNEMPLOYED. 918 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000 I'M 62 YEARS OLD. 919 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000 ( SIGHS ) 920 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000 MY CHANCES OF EMPLOYMENT WERE 921 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,000 SLIM. 922 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000 THE BROTHEL WAS ACROSS THE 923 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000 STREET FROM WHERE I WAS LIVING. 924 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000 SO I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND 925 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 ANSWER THE PHONES. 926 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE TOOK TO THE 927 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,000 JOB WITH A VENGEANCE. 928 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 >> WE RAN IT LIKE A DENTIST'S 929 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 OFFICE. 930 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,000 >> Reporter: PITY THE CLIENT WHO 931 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 LACKED CREDENTIALS. 932 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 >> I'M LOOKING TO PROTECT MYSELF 933 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 AND THE GIRLS THAT ARE WORKING 934 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000 HERE. 935 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,000 I WANT TO KNOW, NUMBER ONE, 936 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,000 "WHERE DO YOU WORK?" 937 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 >> Reporter: YOU WANT TO KNOW 938 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000 WHERE THEY WORK? 939 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000 >> OH, YES, AND IF YOU CAN'T 940 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000 TELL ME WHERE YOU WORKED, THEN 941 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,000 YOU NEED TO CALL ANOTHER 942 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 SERVICE. 943 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000 >> Reporter: WHICH BRINGS US TO 944 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 THE OTHER GREAT CONTROVERSY 945 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000 BOILING LIKE A POT OF GUMBO: 946 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000 JEANETTE'S LITTLE BLACK BOOK OF 947 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000 CUSTOMERS. 948 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 PROFILE THE CLIENTELE. 949 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 DOCTORS? 950 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000 >> DOCTORS 951 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,000 >> Reporter: JUDGES? 952 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,000 >> JUDGES, DENTISTS, ATTORNEYS. 953 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000 WHOA, LISTEN, WE COULD HAVE 954 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000 LIVED OFF JUST THE ATTORNEYS. 955 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000 >> Reporter: IN OTHER WORDS, THE 956 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 BROTHEL HAD THE KIND OF CLIENTS 957 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY $300 AN 958 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,000 HOUR, BUT CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE 959 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 THEIR NAMES MADE PUBLIC. 960 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000 >> IN FACT, I WAS SITTING HERE, 961 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 HAROLD, AND I WAS NOTICING... 962 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000 LOOKING OUT AT ALL THE VERY 963 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000 NERVOUS MEN LOOKING IN. 964 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000 >> Reporter: IN THE RESTAURANT, 965 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,000 YOU MEAN? 966 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000 >> I SWEAR I HEARD MORE 967 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000 DEFRIBULATORS GO OFF. 968 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 ( LAUGHTER ) 969 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000 OH, MY GOD, THERE THEY ARE. 970 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000 >> Reporter: DO YOU THINK 971 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,000 THEY'RE THINKING THAT YOU'RE 972 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 TELLING ALL? 973 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000 >> YEAH, THEY ARE, AND THEY'RE 974 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 ABOUT TO DIE. 975 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000 AND I LOVE IT. 976 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 ( LAUGHTER ) 977 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000 HEY, MONICA'S HERE. 978 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 >> AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER. 979 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 >> Reporter: ARRIVING 980 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 FASHIONABLY LATE IS MONICA 981 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000 MONTEMAYOR WITH HER DAUGHTER, 982 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 NEVAEH. 983 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 MONICA IS JEANETTE'S DAUGHTER. 984 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 >> THIS IS MY BEAUTIFUL 985 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 GRANDDAUGHTER. 986 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,000 >> ( LAUGHS ) 987 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000 SHE KNOWS IT. 988 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000 SEE, IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY. 989 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,000 WE'RE ALL BEAUTIFUL. 990 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,000 >> Reporter: AND ALL IN THE FAMILY BUSINESS. 991 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000 MONICA WORKED AT THE CANAL 992 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 STREET BROTHEL, TOO, AS A 993 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000 PROSTITUTE, WHERE HER MOTHER WAS 994 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000 THE MADAM AND GRANDMOTHER MANNED 995 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 THE PHONES. 996 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 >> HEY, OZZY OSBOURNE HAS 997 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000 NOTHING ON US, EXCEPT THAT I 998 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,000 MAKE A GUMBO AND HE CAN'T'. 999 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000 >> Reporter: HOW MUCH DID YOU 1000 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 GET PAID? 1001 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000 >> $250 TO $300. 1002 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000 >> Reporter: HOW MUCH DID YOU 1003 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000 KEEP? 1004 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000 >> HALF. 1005 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000 >> Reporter: WHERE DID THE OTHER 1006 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000 HALF GO? 1007 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000 >> TO THEM. 1008 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000 >> Reporter: "THEM." 1009 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 >> MOM AND GRANDMA. 1010 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 >> Reporter: THREE GENERATIONS 1011 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000 OF WOMEN ALL FACING PRISON, ALL 1012 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000 IN A BUSINESS THEY NEVER 1013 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000 IMAGINED THEY'D BE IN. 1014 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 >> WELL, I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES 1015 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000 WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY. 1016 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000 >> REALLY, WHOA. 1017 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 >> Reporter: BUT FIRST, THE 1018 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000 SECRET F.B.I. WIRETAPS THAT 1019 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 BROUGHT DOWN THE HOUSE. 1020 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000 >> HELLO? 1021 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000 >> GOOD MORNING, TOMMIE, THIS IS 1022 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000 CIGARETTE DAVE. 1023 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000 >> HEY, CIGARETTE DAVE, I'VE GOT 1024 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 YOU DOWN FOR 3:00, I THINK 1025 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT. 1026 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 SHE'S ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE. 1027 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000 BIG BLUE EYES, DIMPLES, CURLY 1028 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,000 HAIR, BEAUTIFULLY BUILT. 1029 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000 ♪ IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MORNING... 1030 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000 ONLY EXXON RE IM, BUT HELP 1031 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000 LIFT 1032 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000 LIPPTON, A ONCE PROMINENT LUNG 1033 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000 SURGEON... 1034 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 >> HEY, BIG GIRL. 1035 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,000 >> HEY, HOWIE, HOW ARE YOU? 1036 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000 >> Reporter: ...USED TO BE ONE 1037 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000 OF JEANETTE'S VERY BEST 1038 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000 CUSTOMERS. 1039 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 >> I'VE GOT YOUR GOODIES 1040 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000 WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO PARTY. 1041 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000 >> REALLY? 1042 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 >> AND WHEN IS OUR REPORT DUE? 1043 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000 IT WAS DUE YESTERDAY? 1044 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000 >> Reporter: ATTORNEY KYLE 1045 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000 SHOENEKUS REPRESENTS HIM. 1046 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000 HOW MUCH MONEY DID DR. LIPPTON 1047 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000 SPEND AT THE CANAL STREET 1048 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 BROTHEL? 1049 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000 >> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $280,000 1050 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000 AND $350,000 OVER A THREE-YEAR 1051 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 PERIOD OF TIME. 1052 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000 >> Reporter: THAT'S A LOT OF 1053 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000 MONEY. 1054 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000 >> HE'S A VERY LOVING MAN. 1055 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000 >> EVERYBODY SAID HE WAS SEEING 1056 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 PROSTITUTES. 1057 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 ACTUALLY, WHAT PEOPLE WERE DOING 1058 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 IS BABY-SITTING HIM. 1059 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS A FEW 1060 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000 YEARS BACK, HER GIRLS MADE HOUSE 1061 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 CALLS TO DR. LIPPTON. 1062 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000 HE WOULD HIDE UNDER THE COVERS 1063 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,000 AND INSIST THE GIRLS WATCH OUT 1064 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000 THE WINDOWS FOR POLICE-- UP TO 1065 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000 TEN HOURS AT A TIME 1066 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000 >> HE WOULD SIT IN BED WITH THE 1067 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 COVERS UP. 1068 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000 AND THE POOR GIRLS, SHE'D HAVE 1069 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000 TO BE... HE'D HAVE THE AIR 1070 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000 CONDITIONER TURNED DOWN TO 40, 1071 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000 OR WHATEVER, AND SHE'D HAVE TO 1072 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000 BE NUDE AND LOOKING OUT THE 1073 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000 WINDOW. 1074 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000 NO SEX, NO NOTHING. 1075 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 >> Reporter: ICOURT PAPERS, 1076 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000 IO COCa CAUD HIS 1077 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,000 PARANOID, HE DID ASK ME FOR SEX 1078 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000 ONCE, AND I KNOCKED UNDER THE 1079 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000 TABLE AND SAID, "DID YOU HEAR 1080 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 THAT?" 1081 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000 AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE SEX. 1082 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 ( LAUGHTER ) 1083 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 I KIND OF KNEW HOW TO HANDLE 1084 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000 HIM. 1085 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000 >> Reporter: TWO YEARS AGO, DR. 1086 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 LIPPTON WAS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE 1087 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 OF HIS OWN, SUSPECTED OF 1088 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000 MEDICARE FRAUD. 1089 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000 >> DR. LIPPTON, ANY COMMENTS? 1090 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000 >> Reporter: WHEN INVESTIGATORS 1091 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000 LOOKED INTO HIS BANK ACCOUNT, 1092 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000 THEY DISCOVERED THE CHECKS MADE 1093 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000 OUT TO JEANETTE AND TOMMIE. 1094 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 THEY SAID, "LET'S MAKE A DEAL." 1095 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000 >> THEY BROUGHT MY CLIENT IN AND 1096 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,000 BASICALLY SAID, "DR. LIPPTON, DO 1097 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000 YOU WANT TO GO TO JAIL FOR A 1098 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000 VERY LONG TIME? 1099 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000 WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER YOU ON 1100 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000 THIS MEDICARE STUFF. 1101 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 OR DO YOU WANT TO COOPERATE AND 1102 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,000 GET THE BROTHEL PEOPLE?" 1103 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000 >> Reporter: AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, 1104 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000 DR. LIPPTON AGREED TO HELP OUT, 1105 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 HOPING FOR A WAY OUT OF HIS 1106 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 MEDICARE MESS. 1107 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000 THAT'S WHEN LIPPTON TOLD THE 1108 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,000 F.B.I. THAT DRUGS WERE SOLD AT 1109 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,000 THE BROTHEL. 1110 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,000 AND, AT FIRST, LIPPTON SEEMED TO 1111 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,000 BE RIGHT. 1112 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, TOMMIE WAS 1113 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,000 HEARD BUYING POT.  1114 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 BUT THE F.B.I. ALSO HEARD A LOT 1115 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,000 OF TALK ABOUT A MYSTERIOUS BAG. 1116 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000 >> Reporter: INVESTIGATORS 1117 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000 NATURALLY ASSUMED THEY WERE ON 1118 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000 TO SOMETHING BIGGER. 1119 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000 WHAT IS THE BAG? 1120 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000 AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CLEAR 1121 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000 THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL. 1122 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000 >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHOW 1123 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000 IT ON TV. 1124 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000 IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE... PICK UP 1125 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 THE BAG AT THE HOUSE. 1126 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000 THE COPS ARE GOING, "OH, GOD, 1127 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000 THEY'RE PICKING UP BAGS. 1128 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 THEE 1129 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000 KILOS." 1130 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000 THE BAG CONSISTS OF A HAT, 1131 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,000 HANDCUFFS, GLOVES, CHAINS. 1132 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,000 >> Reporter: OH, THE BAG. 1133 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000 >> OH, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT THE 1134 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 BAG... THE WHOLE DRUG ISSUE WAS 1135 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000 ABOUT, CHAINS AND WHIPS. 1136 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD THIS GREAT 1137 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 DRUG THING GOING ON. 1138 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000 IT WAS OPPOSITE. 1139 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 I WAS PLAYING THE POLICE. 1140 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000 >> Reporter: BAG OR NO BAG, THE 1141 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,000 F.B.I. FAILED TO PRODUCE 1142 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000 EVIDENCE OF HARD DRUGS OR MOB 1143 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000 BOSSES. 1144 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,000 5,000 CALLS LATER, INVESTIGATORS 1145 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000 CAME UP EMPTY, BUT DR. LIPPTON 1146 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,000 GOT HIS SENTENCE CUT IN HALF. 1147 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 >> OH, BABY. 1148 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000 >> I WILL TELL YOU, THERE WAS A 1149 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 VERY BROAD CLIENT BASE INVOLVING 1150 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000 INDIVIDUALS FROM ALL OVER THE 1151 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000 CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND IT'S 1152 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000 ENVIRONS. 1153 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000 >> Reporter: FEDAL PROSECUTORS 1154 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 THREW THE BOOK AT THE WOMEN, 1155 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 CHARGING THEM WITH PROSTITUTION 1156 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000 CONSPIRACY. 1157 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 THEY FACE UP TO FIVE YEARS IN 1158 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000 PRISON. 1159 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000 BUT THEIR CLIENTS WERE NOT 1160 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,000 CHARGED. 1161 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,000 PROSECUTORS LET THE MEN OFF THE 1162 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,000 HOOK. 1163 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000 >> WE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN 1164 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000 BUSINESS WITHOUT OUR CLIENTS. 1165 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000 CAN YOU IMAGINE RUNNING A 1166 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 WHEHOUSE IF THE PHONE DON'T 1167 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000 RING? 1168 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000 >> Reporter: AND REMEMBER, SOME 1169 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000 OF THOSE CALLS CAME FROM PEOPLE 1170 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,000 IN HIGH PLACES. 1171 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000 JEANETTE AND TOMMIE HIRED TOP 1172 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000 GUN VINNIE MOSCA TO DEFEND THEM. 1173 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000 YOUR CLIENTS GTO JAIL,, BUT 1174 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000 THE JOHNS, THE CUSTOMERS, GO 1175 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000 FREE? 1176 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 >> I LIKE TO CALL THEM 1177 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,000 "PENETRATORS." 1178 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,000 THEY GET TO GO FREE. 1179 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 >> Reporter: MOSCA ADVISED THE 1180 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,000 WOMEN TO PLEAD GUILTY AND 1181 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000 COOPERATE WITH AUTHORITIES. 1182 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000 >> THEY'RE GOING TO ANSWER 1183 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,000 TRUTHFULLY ANY QUESTIONS ASKED 1184 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 OF THEM CONCERNING THE ENTIRE 1185 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,000 INVESTIGATION. 1186 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000 >> Reporter: MEANING, IF 1187 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000 INVESTIGATORS HAPPEN TO ASK FOR 1188 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000 CLIENT NAMES... 1189 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000 >> YOU WILL GIVE THEM NAMES? 1190 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000 >> I WILL DO THAT. 1191 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,000 p>> R JUST LIKE THAT, 1192 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,000 NEW ORLEANS BECAME THE BIG 1193 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,000 UNEASY. 1194 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,000 DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 1195 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000 WORRIED IN THIS TOWN THAT THESE NAMES COULD GET OUT? 1196 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,000 >> EVERYBODY'S LIKE, "ARE YOU ON 1197 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000 THE LIST, ARE YOU ON THE LIST?" 1198 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000 >> Reporter: WHO'S NOT8ON THE 1199 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000 LIST? 1200 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000 THE CANAL STREET BROTHEL IS 1201 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000 REPUTED TO HAVE HAD 500 1202 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,000 CUSTOMERS. 1203 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,000 >> HOW MANY GUYS DID WE HAVE 1204 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 TODAY? 1205 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,000 >> AH, WE HAD JIM BOB, DANNY, WE 1206 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 HAD STEVE, WE HAD MICHAEL, WE 1207 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000 HAD JOE. 1208 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000 >> Reporter: AND FROM WHAT WE 1209 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000 HEAR, A LOT OF THESE GUYS AREN'T 1210 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000 SLEEPING TOO WELL TONIGHT. 1211 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 >> AND AT 5:30, STEVE WANTS TO 1212 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,000 COME BACK AND SEE 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YOURSELF? 1227 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000 >> I HAVE MY GOOD DAYS AND I 1228 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000 HAVE MY BAD DAYS. 1229 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 ON A WHOLE, NO. 1230 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 >> Reporter: IS IT BECAUSE OF 1231 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000 WHERE YOU'VE BEEN? 1232 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000 >> BECAUSE OF WHERE I'VE BEEN 1233 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,000 AND WHERE I MAY END UP. 1234 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000 >> Reporter: MONICA MONTEMAYOR 1235 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,000 TURNED HER FIRST TRICK AT AGE 1236 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000 16, FOOWING RIGHT IN HER 1237 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000 MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS. 1238 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000 >> I REMEMBER WALKING INTO A 1239 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 CLUB AND SEEING MY MOTHER ON 1240 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 STAGE, AND SHE WAS SO BEAUTIFUL. 1241 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000 OH GOD, SHE LOOKED LIKE AN 1242 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,000 ANGEL. 1243 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000 >> Reporter: YOU WAN TO BE LIKE 1244 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 HER? 1245 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,000 >> YEAH, AND I GOT MY CHANCE. 1246 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000 ONLY THE LIFE DIDN'T SEEM THAT 1247 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,000 BEAUTIFUL ONCE I WAS IN IT. 1248 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000 >> Reporter: SO, YOU ARE LIKE 1249 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000 HER. 1250 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000 >> YEAH. 1251 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY. 1252 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,000 IT'S LIKE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR 1253 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000 >> I CAN'T BE AROUND HER 1254 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000 SOMETIMES, BECAUSE IT HURTS TOO 1255 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 BAD. 1256 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,000 I HAVE TO RELIVE MY LIFE ALL 1257 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000 OVER AGAIN EVERY TIME I SEE HER. 1258 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000 TWO LIVES, BUILT FROM THE SAME 1259 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000 BLUEPRINT OF PAIN. 1260 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000 >> Reporter: SO, HOW DO YOU 1261 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000 BREAK THE CYCLE JEANETTE? 1262 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000 >> YOU TALK ABOUT IT. 1263 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 >> Reporter: "IT" IS THE PAST. 1264 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,000 JEANETTE SAYS IT HELPS EXPLAIN 1265 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000 HOW THREE GENERATIONS OF WEN 1266 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000 WOUND UP IN THE SAME BROTHEL. 1267 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000 >> THE NIGHT I WAS MOLESTED, MY 1268 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000 MOTHER WAS OUT. 1269 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000 NOBODY WAS IN THE HOUSE THE 1270 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000 FIRST TIME, AND I HAD NOBODY TO 1271 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,000 SCREAM OUT TO. 1272 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000 I WENT TO THE BATHROOM WHEN MY 1273 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000 UNCLE WAS FINISHED WITH ME, AND 1274 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000 I SCRUBBED AND SCRUBBED MY 1275 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000 STOMACH TILL IT WAS RAW. 1276 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE SAYS SHE 1277 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000 WAS JUST SIX YEARS OLD, AND THAT 1278 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000 THE MOLESTATION CONTINUED UNTIL 1279 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 SHE WAS 11. 1280 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000 >> AND I'M SCRUBBING MYSELF, 1281 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000 CLEANING MYSELF, AND MY MOTHER 1282 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000 COMES HOME AFTER A NIGHT OF 1283 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000 PARTYING AND DECIDES THAT SHE'S 1284 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000 GOING TO KILL HERSELF. 1285 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000 SO, HERE I AM IN MY OWN PAIN, 1286 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000 BUT NOW I'M TAKING CARE OF MY 1287 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,000 MOTHER AND HER PAIN. 1288 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000 >> ♪ I'VE GOING UP 1289 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 I'VE BEEN DOWN. 1290 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE TAYLOR IS 1291 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000 NOT ONE TO TALK ABOUT HURT. 1292 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,000 SHE PREFERS A LITTLE RED WINE TO 1293 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,000 EASE THE WAY. 1294 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000 >> A LITTLE RED WINE AND THE 1295 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,000 KINDNESS OF STRANGERS. 1296 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000 >> ♪ YEAH, YEAH, YEAH... 1297 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE GREW UP 1298 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000 ALONG THESE STREETS IN A STRING 1299 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000 OF BARS RUN BY HER MOTHER. 1300 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000 MEN GOT DRUNK AND BAD THINGS 1301 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 HAPPENED. 1302 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000 >> OH, SHE FOUND THE BAR. 1303 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE WAS A BRIDE 1304 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000 AT 16; A WIDOW WITH CHILDREN AT 1305 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000 19. 1306 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 >> BECAUSE OF ALL THE PAIN MY 1307 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000 MOTHER WAS IN, MY MOTHER WOULD 1308 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000 DRINK A LOT, COME HOME, CRY, AND 1309 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000 TELL ME ALL THESE HORRIBLE 1310 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000 STORIES. 1311 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BURDEN HER 1312 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN MY 1313 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 LIFE. 1314 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000 >> Reporter: AND JEANETTE'S 1315 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000 BURDEN WAS ABOUT TO BECOME EVEN 1316 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000 MORE UNBEARABLE. 1317 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,000 >> AND ONE TIME MY MOTHER WASN'T 1318 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,000 AT HOME, AND I WAS HUNGRY. 1319 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000 >> Reporter: TO FEED HERSELF, 1320 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000 JEANETTE ADAPTED THE AWFUL 1321 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000 LESSON SHE SAYS WAS TAUGHT BY 1322 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000 HER UNCLE. 1323 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000 SHE WENT TO SEE ANOTHER MAN WHO 1324 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,000 LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 1325 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,000 JEANETTE HEARD HE WOULD GIVE YOU 1326 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000 A PRESENT IF YOU DID WHAT HE 1327 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000 WANTED. 1328 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000 >> AND WHEN HE WAS THROUGH WITH 1329 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,000 ME, HE THREW A QUARTER ON THE 1330 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000 BED. 1331 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000 SO MY FIRST TRICK WAS FOR A 1332 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000 QUARTER AT EIGHT YEARS OLD. 1333 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000 >> Reporter: EIGHT YEARS OLD. 1334 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000 >> UH-HUH. 1335 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000 >> Reporter: BY AGE 12, JEANETTE 1336 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000 WAS SHOOTING DRUGS. 1337 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000 AT 13, SHE WAS A RUNAWAY, GANG 1338 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,000 RAPED, AND LEFT FOR DEAD. 1339 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000 AT 23, SHEAS A MOTHER OF TWO 1340 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,000 AND A PROSTITUTE. 1341 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000 >> LET ME SET THE RECORD 1342 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,000 STRAIGHT, REAL QUICK, RIGHT NOW: 1343 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,000 WHEN I FOUND OUT SHE WAS IN TO 1344 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000 IT, IT ALMOST KILLED ME. 1345 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE FOUND OUT 1346 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,000 ABOUT IT BY READING A NEWSPAPERú 1347 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000 >> I OPENED UP THE FRONT PAGE 1348 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000 AND MY DAUGHTER HAS BEEN 1349 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000 ARRESTED FOR PROSTITUTION AND 1350 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000 PANDERING. 1351 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,000 I WAS NOT WELL. 1352 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000 NOT WELL. 1353 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000 I CAME TO TERMS WITH IT, BECAUSE 1354 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000 SHE IS MY DAUGHTER AND MY CHILD, 1355 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000 AND I LOVE HER REGARDLESS OF 1356 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000 WHATEVER HER CHOICES ARE. 1357 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000 >> Reporter: YET YEARS LATER, 1358 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000 TOMMIE MADE THE CHOICE TO WORK 1359 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000 IN HER DAUGHTER'S BROTHEL. 1360 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000 >> THERE'S NOTNG I'M GOING TO 1361 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000 BE ABLE TO SAY THAT'S GOING TO 1362 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000 JUSTIFY WHY I WAS INVOLVED IN 1363 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 THIS. 1364 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 MY BACK WAS UP AGAINST THE WALL. 1365 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000 I WAS ON THE VERGE OF BEING 1366 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000 EVICTED FROM MY APARTMENT. 1367 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000 THE THOUGHT OF BEING A HOMELESS, 1368 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,000 IT SCARED THE HELL OF ME. 1369 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000 IT REALLY DID. 1370 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,000 SO, TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT 1371 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000 THINK THE WORST ABOUT ME, YOU 1372 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000 KNOW, HEY, I'M PAYING FOR IT, 1373 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000 AND I'M PAYING GOOD. 1374 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000 >> Reporter: MONICA HAS PAID 1375 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000 DEARLY HER WHOLE LIFE. 1376 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000 >> I WATCHED MY MOTHER TAKEN 1377 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,000 AWAY IN HANDCUFFS, I'VE BEEN 1378 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000 MOLESTED, I'VE BEEN RAPED, I'VE 1379 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000 BEEN MY MOTHER'S MOTHER. 1380 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 >> Reporter: IT WAS JEANETTE'S 1381 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000 LIFE ALL OVER AGAIN: ABUSE AND 1382 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000 PAIN, FOLLOWED BY DRUGS AND 1383 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,000 PROSTITUTION. 1384 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000 >> THERE WERE TIMES I WOULD COME 1385 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000 HOME AND I JUST WANTED TO BATHE 1386 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000 IN BLEACH. 1387 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000 "JUST LEAVE ME ALONE AND LEAVE 1388 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000 THE MONEY ON THE BEDSIDE TABLE." 1389 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000 YOU KNOW? 1390 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000 BUT THAT WAS NORMAL FOR ME. 1391 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000 THAT'S HOW I SAW MY MOTHER DO 1392 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000 IT. 1393 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000 SO IS IT... IF MY MOTHER DID IT 1394 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,000 AND IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR HER, 1395 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000 THEN WHAT MAKES ME SO SPECIAL 1396 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000 THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE OUT 1397 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,000 THERE FOR ME? 1398 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000 >> Reporter: MONICA SAYS 1399 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,000 JEANETTE PUSHED HER INTO 1400 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000 THE BUSINESS. 1401 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,000 JEANETTE SAYS MONICA THREATENED 1402 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,000 TO SELL HERSELF ON THE STREET. 1403 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,000 WHATEVER THE REASON, MONICA CAME 1404 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,000 TO WORK IN HER MOTHER'S BROTHEL. 1405 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000 >> I KNEW SHE'D BE SAFE WITH THE 1406 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 GUYS I'VE KNOWN FOR 20 YEARS. 1407 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000 I KNOW SHE WOULDN'T GET HURT. 1408 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,000 >> Reporter: IN JEANETTE'S 1409 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,000 UPSIDE-DOWN WORLD, SHE WAS 1410 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,000 PROTECTING HER DAUGHTER, 1411 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000 JEANETTE MAIER. 1412 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000 >> SO, HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT MY 1413 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000 DAUGHTER WORKING? 1414 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,000 I FEEL HORRIBLE AS A MOTHER. 1415 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 I FEEL LIKE A FAILURE. 1416 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,000 BUT TO HAVE HER WORK IN THIS 1417 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000 HOUSE IS A LOT BETTER THAN NOT 1418 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000 KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON OUT 1419 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000 THERE. 1420 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000 >> Reporter: THERE ARE A LOT OF 1421 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000 MOTHERS OUT THERE, A LOT OF 1422 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000 PARENTS OUT THERE, WHO WOULD 1423 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 TOTALLY DISAGREE. 1424 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000 >> AND I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT, 1425 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000 BUT THEY DIDN'T WALK IN MY 1426 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000 SHOES. 1427 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000 >> Reporter: WHEN YOU LOOK AT 1428 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000 THIS PICTURE, WHAT THOUGHTS GO 1429 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000 THROUGH YOUR MIND? 1430 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000 >> I SEE A VERY SAD CHILD WHO 1431 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,000 WALKED IN HER MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS 1432 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,000 BECAUSE SHE WANTED SO MUCH TO BE 1433 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000 LIKE HER MOTHER. 1434 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000 YOU WALK IN YOUR MOTHER'S 1435 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000 FOOTSTEPS WHEN SHE'S A DOCTOR OR 1436 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,000 A LAWYER, BUT NOT A HOOKER. 1437 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000 >> Reporter: LONG AGO, JEANETTE 1438 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000 PROMISED MONICA HER LIFE WOULD 1439 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,000 BE DIFFERENT. 1440 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,000 BUT ONE LIFE WAS SPUN FROM THE 1441 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,000 OTHER 1442 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,000 AND NOW THERE'S A FOURTH 1443 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000 GENERATION TO WONDER ABOUT, 1444 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000 MONICA'S DAUGHTER, NEVEAH. 1445 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000 WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO KEEP THIS 1446 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000 LITTLE GIRL FROM FOLLOWING IN 1447 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000 HER MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS? 1448 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,000 >> I WILL NEVER ALLOW HER TO 1449 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000 KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE. 1450 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000 THE THOUGHT OF HER THINKING OF 1451 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000 HERSELF AS A PIECE OF MEAT FOR A 1452 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,000 PRICE, I'D RATHER DIE. 1453 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000 >> Reporter: MORE ON NEVEAH WHEN 1454 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000 WE RETURN. 1455 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000 T 1456 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,000 THAT WAS THE WORST MEETING THIS WEEK! 1457 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,000 NO, WE'VE HAD WORSE. 1458 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,000 YOU FORGOT THE PRESENTATION. 1459 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,000 YEAH, BUT I BROUGHT THE BAG. 1460 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,000 YOU COULDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THEIR QUESTIONS. 1461 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000 SOMETIMES, IT'S WHAT'S NOT SAID THAT'S IMPORTANT. 1462 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000 LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING... (pause). 1463 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000 NOW SEE I DIDN'T SAY SOMETHING. 1464 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,000 DID YOU FEEL THAT? 1465 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000 WHY DID WE EVEN COME ON THIS TRIP? 1466 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000 (announcer) $139 A WEEK FOR ANY MIDSIZE AT BUDGET. 1467 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000 FOR IRRESISTIBLE PRICES ON IRRESISTIBLE CARS, 1468 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,000 CALL 1-800-BUD 1469 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000 .ygé ( soft music playing )jóo♪ 1470 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,000 (announcer) FOOD... WET FOOD. 1471 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000 >> Stahl: JEANNETTE MAYER HAD 1472 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,000 BEEN RUNNING HER BROTHEL ON 1473 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,000 CANAL STREET FOR SIX YEARS, 1474 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000 UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT'S YEAR-LONG 1475 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000 INVESTIGATION LED TO INDICTMENTS 1476 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000 AND THE PROSPECT OF PRISON. 1477 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,000 THREE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN FROM 1478 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000 ONE FAMILY-- TOMMIE THE BROTHEL 1479 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000 KEEPER, JEANNETTE THE MADAM, AND 1480 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,000 MONICA THE WORKING GIRL-- ALL 1481 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,000 PLED GUILTY. 1482 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,000 WHILE THEY AWAIT SENTENCING, THE 1483 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000 BIGGEST DRAMA IN NEW ORLEANS 1484 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,000 SURROUNDS THE BROTHEL'S LITTLE 1485 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000 BLACK BOOK OF CLIENTS. 1486 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000 WILL THE WOMEN NAME NAMES, NAMES 1487 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,000 THEY SAY INCLUDE THE CITY'S 1488 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000 BUSINESS AND POLITICAL ELITE? 1489 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,000 ONCE AGAIN, HERE'SHAROLD DOW. 1490 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,000 >> SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO 1491 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,000 PAY FOR ALL THE MANPOWER AND ALL 1492 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,000 THE MONEY SPENT. 1493 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000 SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO PAY 1494 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000 FOR THIS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE 1495 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000 ME. 1496 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,000 >> Reporter: DO YOU FEEL AS 1497 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000 THOUGH YOU'RE BEING MADE THE 1498 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000 SCAPEGOAT? 1499 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000 >> ABSOLUTELY. 1500 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000 >> Reporter: SIX MONTHS AFTER 1501 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,000 THE INDICTMENTS, JEANETTE MAIER 1502 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000 IS RUNNING SCARED. 1503 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,000 >> I GOT IN TROUBLE, GOT CAUGHT, 1504 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,000 AND NOW I'M IN A SITUATION. 1505 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000 OH, THAT FEELS SO GOOD. 1506 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000 >> Reporter: HER PLAN IS TO KEEP MOVING. 1507 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000 IT'S EASIER THAN STOPPING TO THINK. 1508 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,000 THE WAY THINGS STAND NOW, YOUR 1509 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,000 MOTHER COULD GO TO JAIL, YOU 1510 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000 COULD GO TO JAIL, YOUR DAUGHTER 1511 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000 COULD GO TO JAIL. 1512 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000 >> I KNOW. 1513 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000 >> Reporter: YOU READY FOR THAT? 1514 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000 >> WELL, I WOULD HOPE THEY 1515 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000 WOULDN'T DO THAT TO ME. 1516 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,000 NOW WE DO AN EASY RUN, 1517 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,000 COME ON, WALK YOU RASCAL. 1518 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,000 >> Reporter: SINCE THE CANAL 1519 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,000 STREET BROTHEL WENT OUT OF 1520 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,000 BUSINESS, JEANETTE'S HAD TO FIND 1521 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000 A NEW WAY TO MAKE ENDS MEET. 1522 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,000 HIS NAME IS GAYLORD BURGAU. 1523 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,000 >> HE'S SPOILED. 1524 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000 >> GAYLORD IS HELPING ME OUT AND 1525 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,000 TAKING CARE OF ME. 1526 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000 AND HE'S BEEN AN ANGEL. 1527 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,000 I MEAN, JUST SOMEONE WHO CAME IN 1528 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000 AT THE TIME WHEN I NEEDED IT 1529 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:03,000 MOST. 1530 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,000 YOU MIGHT WANT TO KEEP THE 1531 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,000 CAMERA ON SOMEONE WHILE I PUT 1532 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000 LIPSTICK ON. 1533 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000 >> Reporter: BUT EVEN GAYLORD HAS HIS LIMITS. 1534 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000 JEANETTE AND HER MOTHER ROOMED TOGETHER FOR A WHILE TO SAVE ON 1535 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000 THE RENT. 1536 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,000 >> WELL, SHOULD I PULL HER HAIR 1537 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000 OUT NOW, OR SHOULD I GO OUTSIDE AND SMOKE A CIGARETTE? 1538 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000 I THINK WE HE A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ONE 1539 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000 ANOTHER. 1540 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000 WE WORK ON IT. 1541 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000 >> Reporter: SO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR TIME? 1542 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,000 >> I'M COOKING, FEEDING GAYLORD. 1543 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,000 THAT'S WHAT I DO, I COOK. 1544 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,000 I'M WRITING A COOKBOOK. 1545 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,000 DO YOU WANT A SPOON TO EAT THAT 1546 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,000 WITH? 1547 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,000 >> NO, I LIKE SUCKING MY 1548 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,000 NOODLES, AND IF PEOPLE DON'T 1549 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,000 LIKE ME SUCKING MY NOODLES THEY 1550 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,000 DON'T HAVE TO WATCH. 1551 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,000 >> Reporter: WHAT'S THE BOOK 1552 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000 GOING TO BE CALLED? >> I WANTED TO CALL IT "BED 1553 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000 KNOBS AND BREADSTICKS," BUT THAT 1554 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000 WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO, YOU KNOW 1555 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,000 ( LAUGHS ) 1556 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,000 >> Reporter: "BEDKNOBS AND 1557 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000 BREADSTICKS?" 1558 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000 >> YES. 1559 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE'S WRITING 1560 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000 A BOOK, TOO. 1561 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000 SHE HASN'T DECIDED WHETHER 1562 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000 SHE'LL NAME NAMES, BUT HER 1563 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000 7OW WHO THEY ARE. 1564 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,000 >> THANK GOD FOR THESE 1565 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,000 COMPUTERS, HUH? 1566 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000 >> Reporter: BUT UNTIL THOSE 1567 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000 BOOK DEALS COME THROUGH, THE 1568 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000 BILLS KEEP PILING UP-- A HEAP OF 1569 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,000 LEGAL ONES AND A MOUNTAIN OF 1570 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,000 EMOTIONAL DEBT THAT CAN NEVER BE 1571 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000 REPAID. 1572 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000 >> IT'S GETTING VERY HARD. 1573 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,000 YOU ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING BETTER 1574 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000 FOR YOUR KIDS. 1575 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000 I DID NOT WANT MY DAUGHTER TO DO 1576 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000 THIS. 1577 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000 AND EVERYONE SAYS, "HOW COULD 1578 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000 YOU WORK YOUR DAUGHTER, HOW 1579 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000 COULD YOU WORK YOUR DAUGHTER." 1580 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000 MY DAUGHTER WAS ON THE ROAD, 1581 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000 TOO, WORKING HERSELF. 1582 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,000 >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EDIT 1583 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,000 THIS WORD. 1584 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000 IT JUST [NO AUDIO] KILLED ME. 1585 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000 AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT IN THE 1586 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000 MOST UNBELIEVABLE WAY. 1587 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000 >> Reporter: HOW DID YOU FIND 1588 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000 OUT? 1589 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000 >> I ANSWERED THE PHONE. 1590 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000 >> Reporter: WHO WAS ON THE 1591 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,000 OTHER END? 1592 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,000 >> GUESS WHO? 1593 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,000 >> HOWARD LIPPTON. 1594 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000 >> Reporter: YOU HEARD RIGHT, 1595 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,000 DR. HOWARD LIPPTON, THE SAME 1596 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000 HOWARD LIPPTON WHO HELPED BRING 1597 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,000 DOWN THE BROTHEL. 1598 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000 >> Reporter: AND WHAT'D HE SAY 1599 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,000 TO YOU? 1600 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,000 >> "THIS IS HOWA." 1601 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000 AND HE SAID, "I WANT TO SEE THAT 1602 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,000 BLOND GIRL WITH THE PIERCED 1603 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,000 TONGUE." 1604 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,000 AND I'M GOING, "WHAT'S GOING ON 1605 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,000 HERE?" 1606 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000 >> Reporter: IT WAS JEANETTE WHO 1607 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,000 SET MONICA UP WITH DR. LIPPTON-- 1608 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,000 HER WAY OF KEEPING MONICA SAFE. 1609 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000 >> AND THEN BING, BANG. 1610 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000 I WENT, "OH, MY GOD, NO, 1611 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000 THIS CANNOT BE. 1612 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,000 THIS CANNOT BE. 1613 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,000 THIS CANNOT BE." 1614 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,000 >> Reporter: TOMMIE FOUGHT TOOTH 1615 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,000 AND NAIL TO KEEP HER 1616 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,000 GRANDDAUGHTER OUT OF IT. 1617 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,000 BUT OVER TIME, THE CALLSAME 1618 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,000 IN, AND TOMMIE TOOK THEM. 1619 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000 >> HOW YOU DOING? 1620 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,000 >> MONICA'S WORKING TODAY. 1621 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,000 >> Reporter: HOW DID IT FEEL TO 1622 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000 HAVE YOUR GRANDMOTHER OR YOUR 1623 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000 MOTHER HOOK YOU UP WITH A JOHN. 1624 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000 >> IT HURT. 1625 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000 IT DIDN'T HURT FROM MY MOTHER. 1626 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,000 WHO IT HURT FROM, WAS MY 1627 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,000 GRANDMOTHER. 1628 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000 AND THE FIRST TIME SHE CALLED ME 1629 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000 UP AND SAID SHE HAD AN 1630 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,000 APPOINTMENT, IT WAS LIKE 1631 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000 SOMEBODY HAD TOOK A DULL KNIFE 1632 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,000 AND CARVED MY HEART OUT. 1633 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,000 >> Reporter: BUT YOU TOOK THE 1634 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 APPOINTMENT? 1635 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000 >> I TOOK THE APPOINTMENT 1636 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000 I'M JUST ANOTHER GIRL IN THE 1637 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,000 STABLE. 1638 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,000 IF SHE'S RUNNING THE PHONES AND 1639 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000 I'M THERE TO MAKE MONEY, I GOTTA 1640 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000 DO WHAT I GOTTA DO. 1641 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,000 >> Reporter: THERE IS PLENTY OF 1642 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000 BLAME TO GO AROUND, BUT EACH 1643 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000 GENERATION AT THIS TABLE TAKES 1644 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000 RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SINS OF 1645 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000 THEIR DAUGHTERS. 1646 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,000 WHO DO YOU BLAME? 1647 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,000 >> I BLAMEYSELF 1648 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,000 >> Reporter: WHY? 1649 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000 >> BECAUSE IT WAS MY CHOICE. 1650 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,000 >> Reporter: WHO DO YOU BLAME? 1651 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,000 >> ME. 1652 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,000 >> Reporter: YOU BLAME YOURSELF? 1653 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,000 >> YES. >> Reporter: WHY? 1654 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,000 >> CAUSE I WASN'T... 1655 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,000 >> MOM. 1656 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,000 >> Reporter: TAKE YOUR TIME. 1657 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,000 IT'S OKAY. 1658 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,000 WE'RE JUST TALKING. 1659 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,000 IT'S OKAY, TOMMIE. 1660 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,000 IT'S ALL RIGHT. 1661 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,000 >> WELL, THAT WAS A FIRST. 1662 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000 >> Reporter: THIS IS...IT'S 1663 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,000 OKAY. THAT'S... LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT 1664 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 IT. 1665 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,000 WHY DO YOU BLAME YOURSELF? 1666 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,000 >> CAUSE I WASN'T... I COULDN'T 1667 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,000 DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO FOR MY 1668 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000 KIDS. 1669 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000 I COULDN'T. 1670 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000 NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRIED, I 1671 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,000 COULDN'T GIVE THEM ENOUGH, I 1672 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,000 COULDN'T DO ENOUGH. 1673 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000 I COULDN'T... I WAS SO BUSY 1674 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,000 WORKING. 1675 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000 I COULDN'T GIVE THEM THE 1676 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000 ATTENTION. 1677 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,000 YOU KNOW, I WORKED. 1678 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,000 THAT'S ALL I KNEW HOW TO DO. 1679 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,000 AND THEY NEEDED MORE. 1680 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,000 JEANETTE NEEDED MORE. 1681 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,000 AND I COULDN'T GIVE HER ANY 1682 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000 MORE. 1683 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000 >> Reporter: AND IT PAINS YOU? 1684 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000 >> OH, GOD, YES. 1685 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,000 YES. 1686 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000 WOULDN'T IT PAIN YOU, IF YOU 1687 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000 FELT LIKE YOU FAILED? 1688 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 WELL, I FAILED. 1689 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,000 AND AS A RESULT, MY DAUGHTER'S A 1690 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000 NOTORIOUS WHORE MADAM, I'M THE 1691 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,000 BROTHEL KEEPER, AND HERE WE ARE. 1692 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000 >> Reporter: HOW MANY TIMES, 1693 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000 MONICA, HAVE YOU HEARD SOMEONE 1694 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,000 IN YOUR FAMILY SAY, "I LOVE 1695 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000 YOU"? 1696 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,000 >> A COUPLE. 1697 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,000 I KNOW WHEN I LOOK AT MY 1698 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,000 DAUGHTER AND I TELL MY DAUGHTER 1699 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,000 I LOVE HER, I FEEL IT FROM MY 1700 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,000 HEAD TO MY FEET. 1701 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000 AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. 1702 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000 >> Reporter: MONICA SAYS SHE IS 1703 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,000 DETERMINED TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF 1704 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,000 PAIN AND PROSTITUTION THAT GRIPS 1705 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,000 HER FAMILY, BUT SHE CAN'T DO IT 1706 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,000 FROM A JAIL CELL. 1707 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,000 HER WORST FEAR IS TO BE LOCKED 1708 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,000 AWAY FROM HER DAUGHTER. 1709 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,000 >> TO NOT BE ABLE TO WAKE UP AND 1710 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,000 SEE HER FACE, YOU KNOW? 1711 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,000 I CAN'T HANDLE THAT. 1712 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000 >> Reporter: NEXT, JUSTICE 1713 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,000 SERVED UP NEW ORLEANS STYLE. 1714 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000 PAIN IN THE NECK. MY A 1715 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,000 NOT JUST A PAIN IN THE NECK, I MEAN A HEADACHE 1716 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000 WITH PAIN IN THE NECK. AND SHOULDERS. 1717 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000 THAT'S WHY NOW, 1718 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,000 I TAKE EXCEDRIN TENSION HEADACHE. 1719 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,000 >> I'M SCARED TO DEATH. 1720 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,000 I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M SCARED. 1721 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,000 I'M NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING. 1722 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000 >> START A NEW LIFE AND GO ON 1723 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000 WITH MY LIFE. 1724 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,000 WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I'M WALKING 1725 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,000 THE LAST MILE HERE? 1726 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,000 >> Reporter: AT THE END OF THIS 1727 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000 MILE SITS A COURTHOUSE AND A 1728 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000 JUDGE. 1729 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,000 IT'S SENTENCING DAY FOR THE CANAL STREET MADAM AND THE 1730 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000 BROTHEL-KEEPER. 1731 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000 >> YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE 1732 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,000 NERVOUS. 1733 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,000 >> I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE 1734 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,000 NERVOUS, BUT I HAVE BELIEF IN 1735 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,000 THE SYSTEM THAT THEY'LL DO THE 1736 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,000 RIGHT THING. 1737 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,000 >> Reporter: IN A COURTROOM 1738 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000 CLOSED TO CAMERAS, JUDGE IVAN 1739 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000 LEMELLE BROUGHT UP THE ABUSE 1740 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,000 JEANETTE SUFFERED AS A CHILD, 1741 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000 AND SAID IT WOULD AFFECT HER 1742 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000 SENTENCE. 1743 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,000 THE JUDGE WENT ON TO SAY THIS 1744 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,000 ENTIRE CASE COULD BE DESCRIBED 1745 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,000 AS DYSFUNCTIONAL. 1746 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,000 >> HELLO? 1747 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,000 >> Reporter: AND HE SUGGESTED THE F.B.I. HAD BETTER THINGS TO 1748 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,000 DO WITH ITS TIME. 1749 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000 >> CALL ME WHEN YOU GET 1750 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 DOWNTOWN. 1751 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000 >> WILL SHE SUCK MY TOES? 1752 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000 >> I'LL ASK HER. 1753 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,000 >> Reporter: NO JAIL TIME FOR 1754 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,000 TOMMIE OR JEANETTE. 1755 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,000 PROBATION FOR BOTH. 1756 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,000 >> I FEEL AS THOUGH IT'S GIVEN 1757 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,000 ME A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO START A 1758 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,000 NEW LIFE. 1759 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000 >> Reporter: JEANETTE WILL HAVE 1760 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,000 TO SERVE SIX MONTHS IN A HALFWAY 1761 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000 HOUSE, AND PAY A $10,000 FINE. 1762 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,000 >> ARE THERE PLANS FOR A TELL ALL BOOK? 1763 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,000 >> I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO 1764 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,000 SUGGEST THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT 1765 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,000 OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S AN OPTION. 1766 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000 >> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT THOSE NAMES? 1767 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,000 WILL THOSE NAMES EVER COME OUT, 1768 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000 THE PEOPLE WHO PATRIOT TRONIZED 1769 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000 THE CANAL STREET BROTHEL? 1770 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000 >> WELL I'M GOING TO TALK TO MY 1771 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,000 ATTORNEY, AND IF I HAVE MY 1772 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,000 WAY, BECAUSE WHEN ALL THIS BROKE 1773 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,000 NOBODY HELPED US. 1774 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000 OKAY? 1775 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000 AND IF I HAVE TO PUT OUT NAMES 1776 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,000 IN ORDER TO SELL BOOKS, I'LL DO 1777 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,000 IT. 1778 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000 >> Reporter: SO YOU'RE SAYING 1779 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000 THAT... 1780 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000 >> THIS ISN'T BRIBERY OR 1781 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,000 EXTORTION. 1782 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000 I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE FINES TO 1783 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,000 PAY. I TOOK MY RESPONSIBILITY, THEY 1784 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000 DIDN'T. 1785 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,000 I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I HAVE TO 1786 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000 DO TO PAY MY FINES WITHOUT GOING 1787 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000 TO JAIL AGAIN. 1788 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000 AND IF THIS IS THE WAY I HAVE TO 1789 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,000 DO IT, THIS IS WHAT I'LL DO. 1790 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,000 >> Reporter: AND WHEN YOU SAY 1791 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,000 YOU'LL NAME NAMES, YOU'RE 1792 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,000 TALKING ABOUT THE JUDGES, THE 1793 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,000 DOCTORS. 1794 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,000 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1795 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,000 POLITICIANS. 1796 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,000 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT... 1797 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,000 >> RESTAURATEURS. 1798 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,000 >> Reporter: SPORTS FIGURES. 1799 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000 >> UM-MM. 1800 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,000 eporter: THE STAKES WERE 1801 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,000 EVEN HIGHER FOR MONICA. 1802 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000 SHE'S MADE A PROMISE TO HER 1803 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000 DAUGHTER SHE'S DETERMINED TO 1804 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,000 KEEP. 1805 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000 >> SHE'S MADE COMMENTS TO ME 1806 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000 THAT SHE WILL DO WHATEVER IT 1807 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,000 TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT NEVAEH 1808 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000 DOES NOT FALL INTO A LIFE OF 1809 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,000 PROSTITUTION. 1810 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,000 DAVID COURSELL IS MONICA'S 1811 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,000 ATTORNEY. 1812 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,000 >> I HOPE THAT SHE'LL BE ABLE TO AVOID JAIL TIME. 1813 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,000 >> Reporter: BUT THERE IS NO 1814 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000 STORYBOOK ENDING FOR MONICA. 1815 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,000 SHE DID AVOID JAIL, BUT LOST THE 1816 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,000 THING MOST PRECIOUS TO HER. 1817 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,000 >> JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I HAD 1818 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:58,000 SEEN THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE 1819 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,000 TUNNEL, AND TO HAVE HER TAKEN 1820 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,000 AWAY FROM ME IT'S HEART 1821 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,000 WRENCHING. 1822 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,000 >> Reporter: MONICA LOST CUSTODY 1823 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,000 OF NEVAEH, ACCUSED OF NEGLECT-- 1824 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,000 A CHARGE SHE VEHEMENTLY DENIES. 1825 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,000 >> I MADE A PROMISE TO HER WHEN 1826 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,000 SHE WAS BORN THAT I WOULD 1827 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000 PROTECT HER AND KEEP HER, AND I 1828 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:31,000 FEEL AS THOUGH I FAILED AT THAT. 1829 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,000 >> Reporter: THROUGHOUT THIS 1830 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,000 CASE, THE WOMEN HAVE INSISTED 1831 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,000 THEIRS WAS A VICTIMLESS CRIME-- 1832 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,000 NOBODY GOT HURT. 1833 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000 BUT NOW THEY SAY THEY CAN SEE 1834 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000 MORE CLEARLY HOW MUCH THEY WERE 1835 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000 HURTING THEMSELVES. 1836 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,000 >> I WANT ALL THE PAIN TO STOP. 1837 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,000 THE PAIN WITH MY CHILDREN, THE 1838 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,000 PAIN WITH THIS FAMILY. 1839 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,000 I JUST WANT IT TO STOP. 1840 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000 NOTHING TO SAY ♪ 1841 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,000 >> Reporter: WHEN IT HURTS TOO 1842 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,000 MUCH, MONCA PLAYS THIS SONG TO 1843 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000 HELP HER GET THROUGH IT. 1844 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,000 ♪ BUT IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH 1845 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000 >> I'M ASKING GOD TO SEND ME AN 1846 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,000 AINGELE, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE T 1847 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,000 PAIN AWAY. 1848 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000 ♪ GOD SEND ME AN ANGEL FROM THE 1849 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,000 HEAVENS ABOVE ♪ 1850 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000 >> Reporter: AND SHE PROMISES 1851 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,000 HERSELF NEVAEH'S LIFE WILL BE 1852 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,000 DIFFERENT. 1853 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000 >> Stahl: WILL MONICA EVER GET 1854 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,000 HER DAUGHT >> Stahl: WILL MONICA EVER GET 1855 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,000 HER DAUGHTER BACK? 1856 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:44,000 SHOULD SHE?Ñv 1857 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,000 >> Stahl: IN THE SIX YEARS 1858 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,000 JEANETTE MAYER RAN THE CANAL 1859 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,000 STREET BROTHEL, SHE ESTIMATES 1860 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000 SHE MADE MORE THAN ONE MILLION 1861 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,000 DOLLARS, BUT SHE SAYS TODAY SHE 1862 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,000 HAS NOTHING LEFT. 1863 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000 JEANETTE IS NOW LIVING IN A NEW 1864 01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,000 ORLEANS HALFWAY HOUSE, SERVING 1865 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000 OUT HER SIX-MONTH SENTENCE. 1866 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,000 AS FOR MONICA, SHE'LL HAVE TO 1867 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,000 -KE PARENTING CLASSES AND 1868 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,000 SUBMIT TO DRUG TESTING IF SHE 1869 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000 HOPES TO REGAIN CUSTODY OF HER 1870 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,000 BABY GIRL, NEVAEH. 1871 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000 WITH THEIR UNCONVENTIONAL 1872 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,000 BUSINESS SHUT DOWN FOREVER, IT 1873 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,000 LOOKS LIKE A LONG ROAD BACK TO 1874 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,000 REBUILDING THIS FAMILY. 1875 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000 THAT'S "48 HOURS INVESTIGATES" 1876 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000 FOR TONIGHT. 1877 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000 NOW, HERE'S A LOOK AT OUR NEXT 1878 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,000 BROADCAST. 1879 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000 >> GARRETT WILSON HAS A 1880 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,000 >> THIS CRIMINAL CASE IS ABOUT 1881 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,000 LYING, LYING TO THE FBI, LYING 1882 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000 TO THE SEC, AND LYING TO 1883 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,000 INVESTORS. 1884 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000 THAT IS CONDUCT THAT WILL NOT BE 1885 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,000 TOLERATED BY ANYONE. 1886 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,000 MARTHA STEWART IS BEIN 1887 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,000 PROSECUTED NOT BECAUSE OF WHO 1888 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,000 SHE IS, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE 1889 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,000 DID. 1890 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,000 >> STEWART PLEADED NOT GUILTY 1891 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,000 AND HER ATTORNEYS TODAY RELEASED 1892 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,000 A STATEMENT VOICING SUSPICIONS 1893 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,000 THAT FEDERAL ATTORNEYS MAY BE 1894 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000 MOTIVATED FACT SHE IS A 1895 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,000 CELEBRITY. 1896 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000 >>> THE DOW HIT A MILESTONE 1897 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000 TODAY TOPPING THE 9,000 MARK FOR 1898 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,000 THE FIRST MINE TEN MONTHS. 1899 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000 THE NASDAQ MOVED UP ANOTHER 31 1900 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,000 POINTS AND THAT IS A 52-WEEK 1901 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,000 HIGH. 1902 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,000 >>> COMING UP, 1903 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,000 >>> MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED 1904 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,000 ROSENTHAL GETS OFFREE 1905 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,000 BUT HE IS NOT CLAIMING VICTORY. 1906 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000 AND SPUD NICK FOR SALE? 1907 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000 HOW COULD RUSSIAN SATELLITE 1908 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000 END UP ON eBAY? 1909 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000 >> Reporter: AND AS WE TAKE A 1910 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,000 LOOK AT OUR OWN SATELLITE, WE 1911 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,000 FIND A LOT OF FOG ON IT AND 1912 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,000 WE'LL INTRODUCE SOMETNG NEW, ASR 1913 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,000 RO VIDZ MARIJUANA TO PATIENTS 1914 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000 WHO NEED IT. 1915 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000 LEGAL UNDER A VOTER APPROVED 1916 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,000 LAW. 1917 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,000 BUT SINCE FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS 1918 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000 STATE LAW, CLUNS LIKE THIS ARE 1919 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000 ILLEGAL IN THE EYES OF THE 1920 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,000 GOVERNMENT AND THE FACT ED 1921 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000 ROSENTHAL WON'T BE SENT TO 1922 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,000 PRISON BRINGS LITTLE HOPE. 1923 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,000 >> E 1924 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,000 PLEASED SEA FREE MAN. OF HOWEVER THERE ARE TOO MANY 1925 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000 OF US YET THAT REMAIN IN 1926 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000 PRISON OR HAVE THE STRESS AND 1927 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,000 THE FEAR FACTOR. 1928 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,000 ARE WE NEXT? >> Reporter: THOSE IN THE 1929 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUSINESS SAY 1930 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000 THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GROWERS 1931 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000 LIKE ED ROSENTHAL AND THE DRUG 1932 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS VOWING 1933 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,000 TO GO AFTER THEM, TOO SAYING 1934 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,000 QUOTE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO 1935 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,000 PROTECT COMMUNITIES IN THE BAY 1936 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000 AREA FROM THE DANGERS OF 1937 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,000 ILLEGAL DRUGS. 1938 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,000 ANYONE DISTRIBUTING MARIJUANA 1939 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000 IS BREAKING FEDERAL LAW THERE. 1940 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000 HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN THE LAW. 1941 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,000 BUT THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE 1942 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA SAY THE 1943 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,000 FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN. 1944 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,000 >> WE HAVE A LOT TO DO TO 1945 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,000 CHANGE THE LAWS SO THAT PEOPLE 1946 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,000 WHO ARE IN ED ROSENTHAL'S 1947 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000 CIRCUMSTANCES DON'T HAVE TO GO 1948 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000 THROUGH WHAT HE DID SO THAT 1949 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000 THE JURIES GET THE FULL 1950 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000 EVIDENCE IN THESE TRIALS. 1951 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000 >> Reporter: A SKESPERSON 1952 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000 FOR THE CLUB IN BERKELEY SAYS 1953 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,000 SHE DOES SEE THE DECISION AS A 1954 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,000 VICTORY FOR THE MOVEMENT AND 1955 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000 SAYS SINCE ED ROSENTHAL 1956 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000 RECEIVE NOD JAIL TIME, SHE IS 1957 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000 HOPEFUL OTHER GROWERS MAY 1958 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:01,000 RECEIVE LENIENCY. 1959 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,000 >>> THE BAY AREA MOTHER OF A STP 1960 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,000 CLOSER TO BANNING LATE-TERM 1961 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000 ABORTIONS. 1962 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,000 GREG EXAMS THE NEW SHOWDOWN 1963 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,000 OVER ABORTION. 1964 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,000 GREG? >> Reporter: IT IS THE BIGGEST 1965 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,000 CHANGE IN ABORTION LAW SINCE 1966 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000 ROE VS WADE. 1967 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,000 IT CURVES ABORTION ABUSES. 1968 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,000 THE OPPONENTS SAY IT IS THE 1969 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000 BEGINNING OF END OF LEGAL 1970 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,000 ABORTIONS. >> THE BILL OUTLAWS A RARELY 1971 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000 USED ABORTION PRACTICE. 1972 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000 TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE ABORTION 1973 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000 IN ANY FORM IT GIVES NEW HOPE. 1974 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,000 >> A MEASURE OF RELIEVE, AND 1975 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000 TRIUMPH, YES. 1976 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000 >>> OR IS IT THE BEGINNING OF 1977 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,000 THE END? 1978 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000 >> THIS LEGISLATION FOR THE 1979 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,000 FIRST TIME SINCE ROE VS WADE 1980 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,000 CRIMINALIZES ABORTION. 1981 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000 IT PUTS DOLLAR DOCTORS UNDER 1982 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000 THREAT OF CRIMINAL APPELLANTS. 1983 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000 IF THEY DECIDE THAT A WOMAN 1984 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000 WHO PACE FACES A CRISIS 1985 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,000 PREGNANCY NEEDS TO TERMINATE 1986 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000 THAT PREGNANCY AND A PROCEDURE 1987 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,000 IT IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT HER 1988 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,000 HEALTH. 1989 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000 >> Reporter: USED IN 1/10th OF 1990 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,000 1% OF ABORTIONS IT ENDS THE 1991 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,000 LIFE OF THE FETUS AFTER PART 1992 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000 OF IT EMERGES FROM THE MOTHER. 1993 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000 TWO VERSIONS OF THE WERE 1994 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000 VETOED BY THEN PRESIDENT 1995 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,000 CLINTON. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT STRUCK 1996 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,000 DOWN A SIMILAR LAW IN 2000. 1997 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,000 THIS ONE WILL FACE CHALLENGE 1998 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,000 IMMEDIATELY. 1999 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,000 >> WE ARE HOPING THE SUPREME 2000 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,000 COURT WILL DETERMINE THAT THIS 2001 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,000 IS A HUMAN BEING, A LIVE BABY, 2002 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,000 AND THAT PARTIAL BIRTH 2003 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 ABORTIONS SHOULD BE OUTLAWED. 2004 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,000 >> IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION 2005 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000 ADDRESS HE URGED CONGRESS TO 2006 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000 BRING HIM AN ABORTION LAW HE 2007 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,000 COULD SIGN. THE HOUSE AND SENATE DID, BY 2008 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,000 WIDE MARGIN. 2009 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000 >> THE FIRST STEP, IN MY VIEW, 2010 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,000 TO CRIMINALIZING ALL ABORTION 2011 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000 PROCEDURES AND ENDING LEGAL 2012 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,000 ABORTION ENTIRELY. 2013 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000 >> Reporter: THE LAW STATE 2014 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,000 BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT WILL 2015 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,000 REST ON WHO IS VOTING. 2016 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000 SANDRADALE O'CONNOR WAS THE 2017 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,000 SWING VOTE THAT STRUCK DOWN. 2018 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000 HE IS HINTING AT RETIREMENT. 2019 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,000 PRESIDENT BUSH IS WIDELY 2020 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,000 BELIEVED TO BE LOOKING FOR 2021 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,000 ANTI-ABORTION JUSTICE TO 2022 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,000 REPLACE HER. 2023 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000 >> PRESIDENT BUSH HAS PUSHED 2024 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000 ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS AS 2025 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,000 CLOSE AS THEY HAVE BEEN IN 2026 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,000 YEARS. 2027 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000 COMING UP NEXT, THE PROMISES 2028 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000 THEY MADE AND THE TROUBLE THEY 2029 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000 ALREADY FACE. 2030 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,000 >>> AND BACK FROM AFGHANISTAN. 2031 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,000 SOME BAY AREA SOLDIERS HOME 2032 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,000 FROM THE WAR. 2033 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000 AND WHY THEY WOULD GO BACK IN 2034 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,000 A MINUTE. >>> AND IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES 2035 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000 WE WILL HAVE YOUR BAY AREA 2036 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:29,000 FORECAST AND PEEK INTO THExl 2037 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000 >>> TEMPERATURES IN THE BAY 2038 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,000 AREA, COMFORTABLE. 2039 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,000 PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT IT SHOULD 2040 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,000 BE. THE FORECAST COMINGG 2041 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,000 LOT HERE. 2042 01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,000 WITNESSES SAY HE RAMMED THE 2043 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,000 MOSQUITO BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, 2044 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,000 WITNESSES SAY HE RAMMED THE MOSQUITO BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, THEN, TOOK OFF IMMEDIATELY. 2045 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000 >>> A LONG RUNNING SPACE MYSTERY 2046 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,000 IS BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT TONIG 2047 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,000 TONIGHT. 2048 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,000 A FIRM SPECIALIZING IN SOVIET 2049 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,000 COLLECTIBLES WAS SELLING AN 2050 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,000 ORIGINAL S 2051 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,000 BACKUP SPUDNICKS BUT MORE THAN 2052 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,000 FOUR HERE IN CIRCULATION. 2053 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,000 THE FORMER SOVIET UNION LAUNCHED 2054 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,000 SPUDNICK BACK IN 1957 SETTING 2055 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,000 OFF THE SPACE RACE WITH THE 2056 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,000 UNITED STATES. 2057 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,000 BURNED UP IN THE EARTH'S 2058 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,000 ATMOSPHERE AND LAST CHECK 2059 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,000 TONIGHT, eBAY HAS PULLED THE 2060 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,000 ITEM FROM ITS AUCTION LISTING. 2061 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000 SO THE MYSTERY CONTINUES. 2062 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000 >>> MONEY PROBLS JUST KEEP 2063 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,000 CHIPPING AWAY AT BAY AREA'S 2064 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,000 SCHOOL SYSTEMS. 2065 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000 TONIGHT, THE WEST CONTRA COSTA 2066 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,000 SCHOOL BOARD ANNOUNCED A NEW 2067 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,000 ROUND OF BUDGET CUTS. 2068 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,000 THE MEETING WAS PACKED ÑKbs 2069 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000 REPORTER TED ROWLANDS IS LIVE 2070 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,000 NOW WITH DETAILS.. 2071 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,000 GIFT.. FOR TROOPS WHO'VE 2072 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:46,000 SERVED OVERSEAS RECENTLY.. 2073 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,000 IT COM FROM A BROTHEL IN 2074 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,000 NEVADA. 2075 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:54,000 MEDICAL MARIJUANA ADVOCATE ED 2076 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:21,000 ROSENTHAL IS A FREE MAN TODAY. 2077 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,000 A FEDERAL JUDGE SENTENCED 2078 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,000 ROSENTHAL TO ONE DAY IN JAIL 2079 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,000 AND A 13-HUNDRED DOLLAR FINE. 2080 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,000 THE JUDGE GAVE ROSENTHAL 2081 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,000 CREDIT FOR THE DAY HE'D 2082 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,000 ALREADY SERVED WHEN HE WAS 2083 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000 ARRESTED. PROSECUTORS HAD 2084 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,000 WANTED A SENTENCE OF SIX AND 2085 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000 A-HALF YEARS. A JURY 2086 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,000 CONVICTED ROSENTHAL OF GROWING 2087 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,000 MARIJUANA IN AN OAKLAND 2088 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,000 WAREHOUSE. THE CONVICTION 2089 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:42,000 CAME LARGELY BECAUSE THE JUDGE 2090 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000 WOULDN'T ALLOW THE JURY TO 2091 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,000 KNOW IT WAS MEDICAL MARIJUNA 2092 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,000 THAT ROSENTHAL WAS GROWING. 2093 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,000 DESPITE HIS LIGHT SENTENCE... 2094 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000 ROSENTHAL STILL HAD SOME 2095 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000 STRONG CRITICISM FOR THE JUDGE. 2096 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,000 THE JUDGE ALSO PUT 2097 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,000 ROSENTHAL ON PROBATION. HE CAN'T POSSESS 2098 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,000 ANY ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR THE NEXT 2099 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,000 THREE YEARS... MEANING NO MORE 2100 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,000 GROWING MARIJUANA... NOT EVEN 2101 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,000 FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES. ED 2102 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,000 ROSENTHAL NOW JOINS ROSS TO 2103 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:31,000 DISCUSS HIS CASE. 2104 01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:36,000  2105 01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:01,000 SCOTT PETERSON'S FORMER 2106 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,000 GIRLFRIEND.. SAYS A GAG ORDER 2107 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,000 IN THE DOUBLE MURDER CASE 2108 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,000 COULD PREVENT HER FROM 2109 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,000 MILLION NG HER REPUTATION. 2110 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,000 HELP REBUILD IRAQ. 2111 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,000 WHAT STRATORS CRITICIZE 2112 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,000 ECHTEL'S PROFITING 2113 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000 SHOULD TRACT 2114 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,000 TO IRAQI FIRMS. 2115 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,000 ART OFWN 2116 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,000 URING THE MORNING 2117 01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,000 COMMUTE. 2118 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,000 >>> AND mPó<=S%b) 2119 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,000 MOTIONS IN COURT. 2120 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,000 HEARD E UMENTS 2121 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,000 AUTOPSY SE 2122 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,000 AND PETERSON 2123 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000 HER UNBORN SON. 2124 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,000 NSISTS THETION 2125 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,000 HE FULLF 2126 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,000 AND RELEASED, 2127 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,000 A L CONSIDER 2128 01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,000 REVENT ATTORNEYS TO THE MEDIA. 2129 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,000 HE PETERSON 2130 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,000 HAVE HER TO 2131 01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,000 VOICE HEARD. 2132 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,000 ASKING A TTORNEY 2133 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,000 A GAG ORDER.CT 2134 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,000 FROM NT FREY 2135 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000 DEFENDING HERSELF. A HAVING 2136 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,000 ETERSON BUT WITH 2137 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,000 DOESN'T THEY 2138 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,000 WERE MARRIED. 2139 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,000 A KING NEWS, 2140 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,000 PROPOSAL NISTRATION 2141 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,000 THE ININ SE 2142 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,000 NEVADA.AVY 2143 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,000 F LOGGINGT 2144 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,000 IRE HAZARDS 2145 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000 PROTECT LD 2146 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,000 WILDLIFE IN THE AREA. 2147 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,000 PRESENT T 2148 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,000 HE CLINTON 2149 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,000 IT IS TOO TION AND 2150 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,000 RESTRICTIVE. 2151 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,000 IT A ONMENTALISTS CALL 2152 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,000 MAJOR SETBACK. 2153 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,000 EYEING MINATOR 2154 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,000 THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION. 2155 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,000 CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR 2156 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,000 GOVERNOR. 2157 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,000 E WILLENEGGER SAYS 2158 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,000 AND S ME 2159 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,000 I THINK IS 2160 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,000 BETTER. 2161 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,000 AKE ANY 2162 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,000 FTER THE UNTIL 2163 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,000 ELEASE OF TERMINATOR 2164 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,000 3. AS GOTTENBUSH 2165 01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,000 MARIJUANA. YESTERDAY HE ED ROSENTHAL WAS 2166 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,000 SENTENCED TO ONE DAY IN PRISON 2167 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,000 FOR GROWING POT PLANTS. 2168 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,000 THE JUDGE ORDERED HIM TO ABIDE 2169 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,000 BY STATE AND FEDERAL DRUG 2170 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,000 LAWS. 2171 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,000 BUT SAID HE SAID HE IS NOT 2172 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,000 GOING TO SLOW DOWN HIS FIGHT, 2173 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000 LEGALIZING POT FOR MEDICINAL 2174 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,000 AND RECREATIONAL USE. 2175 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000 THEOLUMBIA'S" LAUNCH. 2176 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,000 INSULATION SHED FROM THE 2177 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,000 EXTERNALUEL TANK STRUCK THE 2178 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,000 LEADING EDGE OF THE SHUTTLE'S 2179 01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000 LEFT WING. 2180 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,000 AT THE TIME, NASA RULED OUT ANY CHANCE THAT THE FOAM HAD CAUSED 2181 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,000 SIGNIFICANT DMAGE. 2182 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,000 AND EVEN AFTER THE ACCIDENT, TOP 2183 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,000 OFFICIALS CONTINUED TO DISCOUNT 2184 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,000 THE FOAM. 2185 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,000 BUT THE TEST NOW STRONGLY 2186 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,000 SUGGESTS NASA'S ASSUMPTIONS WERE 2187 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,000 WRONG. 2188 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,000 INVESTIGATORS BELIEVE THE FOAM 2189 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,000 STRIKE LIKELY CREATED A SMALL 2190 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,000 HOLE IN THE LEADING EDGE OF THE 2191 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,000 LEFT WING. 2192 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,000 WITH THAT, "COLUMBIA" HAD NO 2193 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,000 CHANCE TO GET HOME. 2194 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000 AS THE SHUTTLE BEGAN ITS FIERY 2195 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,000 REENTRY, HOT GASSES ENTERED THE 2196 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,000 WING, CREATING A BLOW-TORCH 2197 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,000 EFFECT. 2198 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,000 THE 3,000-DEGREE TEMPERATURES 2199 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,000 MELTED THE ALUMINUM STRUCTURE, 2200 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,000 AND ULTIMATELY DESTROYED THE 2201 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,000 SHUTTLE. 2202 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,000 NOW INVESTIGATORS ARE PREPARING 2203 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,000 THR FINAL REPORT, LARGELY 2204 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,000 BLAMING THE LOSS OF "COLUMBIA" 2205 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,000 ON A NASA CULTURE THAT TOLERATED 2206 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:43,000 REPEATED MISTAKES AND UNNECESSARY RISKS. 2207 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,000 BOB ORR, CBS NEWS, WASHINGTON. 2208 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:52,000 >> Rather: IN IRAQ TODAY, A U.S. 2209 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,000 50 YEARS OLD -- MOVEMENT, IS 2210 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,000 50 YEARS OLD THIS WEEK. 2211 01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,000 IT'S REACHING A WHOLE NEW 2212 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000 GENERATION OF READERS. 2213 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000 >> ♪ 2214 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:07,000 [ JAZZ ] >> 2215 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,000 [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] 2216 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,000 >> Reporter: THERE IS HISTORY 2217 01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000 IN THESE WALLS. 2218 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,000 >> FIVE MONTHS BEFORE THE 2219 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,000 NOVEMBER, 2000, ELECTION, 2220 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,000 GOVERNOR JEB BUSH... 2221 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,000 >> Reporter: IDEAS WITHIN 2222 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,000 EVERY BINDING. 2223 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,000 >> THIS BOOKSTORE STARTED A 2224 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,000 SMALL REVOLUTION. 2225 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,000 >> Reporter: A REVOLUTION THAT 2226 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,000 BEGAN ON A CORNER IN NORTH 2227 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,000 BEACH IS NOW THE CORNERSTONE 2228 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,000 OF A MOVEMENT. 2229 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,000 >> WE OPENED ABOUT JUNE 6TH, 2230 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,000 WHICH WAS D-DAY, 1953. 2231 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,000 IT WAS JUST A ONE-ROOM 2232 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,000 BOOKSTORE. IT WAS THE FIRST PAPERBACK 2233 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000 BOOKSTORE IN THE COUNTRY. 2234 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000 >> Reporter: THIS POET HEARD 2235 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000 THE CALL AS A YOUNG MAN, BUT 2236 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,000 IT WAS THE WORDS OF ANOTHER 2237 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000 MANHAT INSPIRED HIM. 2238 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,000 >> [ AUDIO NOT UNDERSTANDABLE ] THE POLICE 2239 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,000 THOUGHT IT WAS A DIRTY BOOK. 2240 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,000 >> I SAW THE BEST MINDS OF MY 2241 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,000 GENERATION DESTROYED, STARVING, 2242 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000 HYSTERICAL, NAKED. 2243 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,000 >> WE STARTED PUBLISHING THEM 2244 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,000 IN '55. >> Reporter: IT BECAME THE 2245 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,000 HOME BASE FOR THE FREE-SPEECH 2246 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:24,000 MOVEMENT. 2247 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,000 >> THERE ARE BOOKSTORES, NONE 2248 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,000 MORE BELOVED. 2249 01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,000 >> Reporter: ONE FINDS 2250 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,000 UNIVERSAL INFLEXIONS. 2251 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,000 >> Reporter: THESE DAYS CITY 2252 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,000 LIGHT IS SOMETHING OF A TIME 2253 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,000 CAPSULE IN A CHANGING 2254 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:52,000 RENEE WAS A SHOW-STOPPER IN A 2255 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,000 GLUED-ON-HER-BODY CAROLENE A 2256 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:56,000 HERRERA. 2257 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,000 >> A NEW MUST-HAVE ACCESSORY. 2258 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,000 YOU DON'T HAVE A PAIR OF LONG 2259 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,000 GLOVES AND YOU'VE GOT AN EVENT 2260 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,000 TO GO TO, GET THEM. 2261 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,000 >> Reporter: CINDY LEVIE ALSO 2262 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,000 GIVES THUMBS UP TO SHAR A 2263 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:13,000 JESSICA'S STRAPLESS BUSTIER 2264 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:18,000 DRESS. >> SHE IS A GLAMOUR DO. 2265 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000 >> Reporter: P. DIDDY WAS SHARP 2266 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000 IN A TUX AND HIGH-WATTAGE BLING 2267 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,000 BLING, BUT HE WAS UPSTAGED BY 2268 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,000 HIS MOM. 2269 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000 >> SHE COMES BEHIND ME, SHE GETS 2270 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,000 MORE SCREAMS THAN ME. 2271 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,000 >> Reporter: JODY FOR THER WAS A 2272 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,000 GLOM OR DO WEARING A FLIRTY FELL 2273 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,000 MINUTE BLACK ARMANI WITH A V 2274 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,000 NECK AND A BIAS CUT HEM WHILE 2275 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,000 DIANE LANE STOOD OUT IN A PANTS 2276 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000 SUIT AND CLIFTA FLOCK HEART'S 2277 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,000 BLACK ARMANI WAS ALSO A FASHION 2278 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000 WINNER. >> A VERY SIMPLE DRESSCUSATIONSD 2279 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,000 THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, THE 2280 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,000 ADMINISTRATION EMBELLISHED THE 2281 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,000 EVIDENCE; AT WORST, MISLED THE 2282 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,000 WORLD. 2283 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,000 SURROUNDED BY HIS CABINET THIS 2284 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,000 MORNING, PRESIDENT BUSH WAS 2285 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,000 AGAIN INSISTENT SADDAM HUSSEIN 2286 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000 WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT. 2287 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,000 >> IRAQ HAD A WEAPONS PROGRAM. 2288 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,000 INTELLIGENCE THROUGHOUT THE 2289 01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000 DECADE SHOWED THEY HAD A WEAPONS PROGRAM. 2290 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,000 I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED WITH 2291 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,000 TIME WE'LL FIND OUT THAT THEY 2292 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,000 DID HAVE A WEAPONS PROGRAM. 2293 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,000 >> Reporter: BUT MUCH OF THE 2294 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,000 INTELLIGENCE HE USED IN THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST SADDAM WAS FAR 2295 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000 LESS CERTAIN. 2296 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,000 A DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY 2297 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,000 REPORT LAST SEPTEMBER STATED 2298 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,000 THERE IS "NO RELIABLE 2299 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,000 INFORMATION ON WHETHER IRAQ IS 2300 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,000 PRODUCING AND STOCKPILING 2301 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000 CHEMICAL WEAPONS," THOUGH IT DID 2302 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,000 CONCLUDE "IRAQ PROBABLY HAS 2303 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,000 THEM." 2304 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,000 A DECLASSIFIED C.I.A. REPORT 2305 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,000 FROM THE SAME TIME WAS FAR MORE 2306 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,000 DEFINITIVE, DECLARING: "BAGHDAD 2307 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,000 HAS CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL 2308 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,000 WEAPONS" 2309 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:34,000 THERE IS LITTLE EVIDENCE ON THE 2310 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,000 GROUND TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM. 2311 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,000 OTHER THAN TWO SUSPECTED MOBILE 2312 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,000 LABS, THE U.S. HAS COME UP EMPTY 2313 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000 IN ITS HUNT FOR WEAPONS. 2314 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,000 AS FOR IRAQ'S TIES TO TERROR, 2315 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,000 TWO OF AL QAEDA'S TOP OPERATIVES 2316 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,000 IN U.S. CUSTODY SAY BIN LADEN 2317 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,000 CONSIDERED BUT REJECTED THE IDEA 2318 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,000 OF AN ALLIANCE WITH SADDAM. 2319 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,000 TWO SENATE COMMITTEES ARE 2320 01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,000 LOOKING INTO WHAT ADMINISTRATION 2321 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,000 OFFICIALS KNEW, AND WHAT THEY 2322 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,000 SAID. 2323 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,000 >> I'M VERY TROUBLED BY THE 2324 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,000 EVIDENCE THAT EXISTS THAT 2325 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,000 INTELLIGENCE WAS SHADED AND THAT 2326 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,000 THERE WERE EXAGGERATIONS ALONG THE WAY IN MANY, MANY WAYS. 2327 01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000 >> Reporter: IF THE INTELLIGENCE 2328 01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,000 WAS SHADED OR MANIPULATED, IT 2329 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,000 COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT SCANDAL 2330 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,000 FOR THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE, 2331 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,000 POTENTIALLY "WORSE THAN 2332 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,000 WATERGATE" SAYS ONE MAN, WHO 2333 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:21,000 REMEMBERS THAT ERA WELL. 2334 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,000 >> IF BUSH HAS DELIBERATELY 2335 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,000 TURNED TO THE INTELLIGENCE 2336 01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,000 AGENCIES AND TOLD THEM WHAT HE 2337 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,000 WANTS, RATHER THAN WHAT THEY 2338 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,000 WERE GIVING HIM, I THINK HE'S IN 2339 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,000 BIG TROUBLE. 2340 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,000 >> Reporter: THE WHITE HOUSE 2341 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,000 STILL BELIEVES THE ISSUE WILL GO 2342 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000 AWAY. 2343 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,000 AS ONE OFFICIAL SAID TODAY, IT'S 2344 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,000 THE PRESS THAT'S KEEPING THE 2345 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,000 STORY GOING. 2346 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST DON'T 2347 01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000 CARE. DAN? 2348 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,000 >> Rather: JOHN ROBERTS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. 2349 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,000 THE U.S. DEATH TOLL IN IRAQ 2350 01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,000 CONTINUES TO GROW. 2351 01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,000 ANOTHER AMERICAN SOLDIER HAS 2352 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,000 BEEN SHOT TO DEATH, THIS TIME, 2353 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,000 AT A CHECKPOINT NEAR THE SYRIAN 2354 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:55,000 BORDER. 2355 01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,000 AND CBS' DAVID HAWKINS REPORTS 2356 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000 TONIGHT THAT, IN SPITE OF HEAVY 2357 01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,000 U.S. REINFORCEMENTS AND CONSTANT 2358 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000 PATROLS, ONE TOWN WEST OF 2359 01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000 BAGHDAD REMAINS DEADLY DANGEROUS 2360 01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,000 FOR AMERICANS. 2361 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,000 >> Reporter: ALMOST EVERY NIGHT 2362 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,000 IN FALLUJA, THERE'S ANOTHER 2363 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000 AMBUSH OF U.S. SOLDIERS PATROLLING THE TOWN'S STREETS. 2364 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:10,000 >> INSTEAD OF BEING THE HUNTER, 2365 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,000 IT'S ALMOST AS IF WE'RE BEING 2366 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:16,000 HUNTED. 2367 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000 >> Reporter: THE ARMY HAS SENT 2368 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,000 ABOUT 1,500 REINFORCEMENTS TO 2369 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,000 FALLUJA, BUT MORE TROOPS MEANS 2370 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,000 THERE ARE MORE TARGETS. 2371 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,000 >> SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE WAITING 2372 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,000 FOR US, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU 2373 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000 SEE A PATROL HEAD OUT, AS SOON AS IT LEAVES THE GATES, THE 2374 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000 FLARES GO UP. 2375 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000 THE LIGHTS GO OUT SO THEY'RE 2376 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000 JUST KIND OF WAITING TO AMBUSH 2377 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000 US. 2378 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:36,000 >> Reporter: THAT, AND THE FACT 2379 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,000 THAT MOST OF THE AMBUSHES START 2380 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,000 WITH A ROCKET PROPELLED GRENADE 2381 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,000 LAUNCHED AT AN AMERICAN VEHICLE, 2382 01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000 WHICH IS THEN FOLLOWED BY 2383 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000 MACHINE GUN FIRE FROM THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, HAS LED THE 2384 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,000 MILITARY TO DESCRIBE THE 2385 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,000 AMBUSHES AS "COORDINATED 2386 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,000 ATTACKS." 2387 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,000 IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THREE 2388 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN 2389 01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:52,000 KILLED IN FALLUJA. 2390 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000 MORE THAN A DOZEN HAVE BEEN WOUNDED. 2391 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,000 IT'S THE CENTER OF RESISTANCE 2392 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,000 AGAINST THE U.S.-LED OCCUPATION OF IRAQ. 2393 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,000 FALLUJA NEVER REALLY SURRENDERED. 2394 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,000 >> THEY CAN BE WAVING AT YOU ONE 2395 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,000 MINUTE, THE NEXT MINUTE THEY'RE SHOOTING AT YOU. 2396 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000 >> FOR EVERY AMERICAN THEY KILL 2397 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,000 IT'S LIKE A BIG THING FOR THEM. 2398 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:14,000 WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CLOSE CALLS-- TOO MANY CLOSE CALLS, REALLY. 2399 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,000 >> Reporter: IT'S SAFER ON FOOT, 2400 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,000 SAY THE SOLDIERS OF THE 101ST 2401 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,000 AIRBORNE. 2402 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,000 UNLIKE HUMVEES OR ARMOR, THEIR 2403 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,000 PATH THROUGH FALLUJA'S NARROW 2404 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,000 STREETS IS UNPREDICTABLE, MAKING 2405 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,000 AN AMBUSH MORE DIFFICULT BUT NOT 2406 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,000 IMPOSSIBLE.AGENTS HAVE NOW TAKET 2407 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,000 UNDERWATER, TO A 50,000-GALLON 2408 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,000 POND IN MARYLAND. 2409 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,000 CBS' JIM STEWART REPORTS WHY 2410 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,000 THIS, WHY NOW. 2411 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,000 >> Reporter: THE F.B.I. HAS BEEN 2412 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,000 HERE BEFORE. 2413 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,000 SCUBA DIVERS SEARCHED THE BOTTOM 2414 01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,000 OF THIS SUBURBAN MARYLAND POND LAST WINTER. 2415 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,000 IT'S WHAT THEY FOUND THEN THAT'S 2416 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,000 BROUGHT THEM BACK NOW FOR A MORE 2417 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,000 THOROUGH LOOK. 2418 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,000 WHAT THEY RECOVERED LOOKED LIKE 2419 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,000 THIS: A RECTANGULAR, TRANSLUCENT 2420 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,000 PLASTIC STORAGE BOX WITH A SNAP- 2421 01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,000 ON LID AND A HAND-SIZED HOLE CUT 2422 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,000 IN ONE END. 2423 01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,000 THE THEORY IS THAT THE PERSON 2424 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,000 RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ANTHRAX 2425 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,000 ATTACKS ASSEMBLED THE LETTERS 2426 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,000 UNDERWATERN THE BOX TO AVOID 2427 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,000 EXPOSING HIMSELF. 2428 01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,000 BIOTERRORISM EXPERT DR. STEVEN 2429 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,000 HATFILL REMAINS THE F.B.I.'S TOP 2430 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,000 SUSPECT, BUT IT'S NOT CLR WHAT 2431 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,000 COECTION HATFILL AND THE POND HAVE. 2432 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,000 IT'S ALSO NOT CLEAR WHETHER SUCH 2433 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000 A MAKESHIFT LAB WOULD HAVE 2434 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,000 WORKED, OR WHY THE F.B.I. WAITED 2435 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,000 SO LONG TO DRAIN THE POND IF THEY'VE HAD THE BOX SINCE LAST 2436 01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,000 WINTER. 2437 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,000 MAYBE, SOME INVESTIGATORS 2438 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,000 SUGGEST, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE RUN OUT OF OTHER LEADS TO 2439 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,000 FOLLOW. 2440 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,000 CBS' MARK STRASSMANN IS COVERING 2441 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,000 THE OUTBREAK, AND WHAT APPEARS 2442 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,000 TO BE THE CAUSE. 2443 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000 >> Reporter: PRAIRIE DOGS, 2444 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,000 POPULAR AS EXOTIC PETS, SUDDENLY 2445 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,000 POP INTO VIEW AS CARRIERS OF AN 2446 01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,000 EXOTIC DISEASE CALLED MONKEYPOX, 2447 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000 A VIRUS NEW TO THE U.S., AND 2448 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,000 POTENTIALLY DEADLY. 2449 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,000 >> AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW 2450 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,000 HOW MANY ANIMALS OR HUMANS MAY 2451 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,000 BE INVOLVED AND WE DON'T KNOW 2452 01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,000 THE EXTENT OR SCOPE OR THE 2453 01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,000 PROBLEM. 2454 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,000 >> Reporter: IN THREE MIDWESTERN 2455 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,000 STATES, PEOPLE WHO CAME INTO 2456 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,000 CONTACT WITH SICK PRAIRIE DOGS, 2457 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,000 DOZENS OF THEM, DEVELOPED 2458 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,000 BLISTERS, LESIONS, AND FEVER-- 2459 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,000 SYMPTOMS LINKED TO MONKEYPOX, AN 2460 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,000 AFRICAN VIRUS RELATED TO SMALLPOX, BUT LESS DEADLY. 2461 01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,000 IN MILWAUKEE, EILEEN WHITMARSH'S 2462 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,000 PET STORE SELLS PRAIRIE DOGS, 2463 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,000 AND SHE GOT SICK. 2464 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,000 >> THE CHILLS AND THE FEVER AND 2465 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,000 THE ACHINESS. 2466 01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,000 AND I JUST THOUGHT I GOT THE FLU. 2467 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,000 >> Reporter: HER DOCTORS 2468 01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:31,000 DIAGNOSED MONKEYPOX. HER PESTORE WAS QUARANTINED. 2469 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,000 HEALTH EXPERTS SAY THIS U.S. 2470 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,000 OUTBREAK HAS SPREAD ANIMAL-TO- 2471 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,000 HUMAN, ANIMAL-TO-ANIMAL, 2472 01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,000 INCLUDING ONE SICK RABBIT, BUT 2473 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,000 SO FAR, NOT HUMAN-TO-HUMAN, 2474 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,000 ALTHOUGH THAT'S POSSIBLE. 2475 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,000 THE INVESTIGATION IS FOCUSING ON 2476 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:49,000 ONE SHIPMENT OF 38 PRAIRIE DOGS, 2477 01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000 THAT CAME INTO CONTACT WITH A SICK GAMBIAN GIANT RAT, LIKE 2478 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,000 THIS ONE. 2479 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,000 THE PRAIRIE DOGS WERE THEN SOLD 2480 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:59,000 AMONG EXOTIC PET DEALERS IN TEXAS, ILLINOIS, AND WISCONSIN. 2481 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,000 >> OUR END POINT IS TRYING TO 2482 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,000 ENSURE THERE'S NO SPREAD OF 2483 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,000 INFECTION BEYOND THOSE WHO MAY 2484 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,000 HAVE BEEN ALREADY BEEN IN 2485 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,000 CONTACT. 2486 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,000 >> Reporter: PRAIRIE DOGS LITERALLY GET SUCKED OFF RANCH 2487 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,000 LAND AND SOLD IN PET STORES. 2488 01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,000 >> COME ON, BABY. 2489 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,000 COME ON. 2490 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,000 >> Reporter: EXPERTS SAY THE GENERAL HEALTH THREAT IS REMOTE. 2491 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000 BUT THEY CAUTION EVERYONE SHOULD 2492 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,000 REMEMBER THE WEST NILE VIRUS, 2493 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,000 WHICH BEGAN WITH A SINGLE 2494 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000 INCIDENT IN 1999. 2495 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,000 >> THIS VIRUS HAS NOW SPREAD AS 2496 01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,000 OF LAST YEAR TO 44 STATES AND 2497 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:30,000 THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. 2498 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,000 >> Reporter: GEORGIA IS ONE 2499 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,000 STATE THAT BANS THE SALE OF 2500 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000 PRAIRIE DOGS. 2501 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,000 IN THOSE THAT ALLOW IT, THE NEW 2502 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,000 ISSUE WITH THESE ANIMALS IS 2503 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,000 WHETHER MORE THAN THEIR CUTENESS 2504 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000 IS CONTAGIOUS. 2505 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000 MARK STRASSMANN CBS NEWS, 2506 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:44,000 ATLANTA."4zDçalxAG 2507 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,000 TUTANK 2508 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,000 THAT NETTED NEARLY 10% OF 2509 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,000 TULIA'S BLACK POPULATION-- A 2510 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,000 BUST SO LARGE, IT EARNED THE 2511 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000 NARCOTICS AGENT IN CHARGE THE 2512 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,000 TITLE OF TEXAS LAWMAN OF THE 2513 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,000 YEAR. 2514 01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,000 BUT TOM COLEMAN WAS A LAWMAN IN 2515 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,000 NAME ONLY. 2516 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,000 ALTHOUGH HE SWORE UNDER OATH THAT EACH OF THE SUSPECTS HAD 2517 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,000 SOLD HIM COCAINE, HE HAD LITTLE 2518 01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,000 PROOF. 2519 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,000 NO FINGERPRINTS, NO AUDIO OR 2520 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,000 VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, NOT EVEN A 2521 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,000 SINGLE CORROBORATING WITNESS. 2522 01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000 IT WAS HIS WORD AGAINST THEIRS, 2523 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000 AND HERE IN TULIA, HIS WORD 2524 01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,000 USUALLY WON. 2525 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000 UNTIL YEARS LATER, WHEN THE 2526 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000 CALLS OF RACISM GOT LOUD ENOUGH, 2527 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000 THE JUDGE FINALLY AGREED TO TAKE 2528 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,000 A SECOND LOOK, AND FOUND 2529 01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,000 COLEMAN'S METHODS AND CHARACTER 2530 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,000 WERE SO UNRELIABLE, HIS WORD WAS 2531 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:29,000 WORTH NOTHING. 2532 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,000 HITTING BAY AREA STREETS DRUMMING SUPPORT AGAINST 2533 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,000 THE RECALL GOVERNOR DAVIS 2534 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,000 CAMPAIGN. WE FOUND VOTERS SIGNING ON 2535 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,000 EVEN THOUGH THE PETITIONS ARE 2536 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000 SYMBOLIC AND CAN'T STOP THE 2537 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,000 RECALL. >> I BELIEVE THAT THE RECALL 2538 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,000 IS UNNECESSARY AND A WASTE OF 2539 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,000 TAXPAYER MONEY.& 2540 01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,000 >> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT DAVIS 2541 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,000 BUT I'M NOT BASICALLY THE 2542 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE 2543 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,000 RECALL HAVE POLITICS THAT I 2544 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,000 DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH. 2545 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,000 >> Reporter: IT IS A TWO WEEK 2546 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,000 OLD CAMPAIGN BASED IN 2547 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,000 SACRAMENTO CALLED TAXPAYERS 2548 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,000 AGAINST THE GOVERNOR'S RECALL. 2549 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,000 HITTING ON TWO THEMES THE 2550 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:06,000 ESTIMATED 20 TO 30 MILLION 2551 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,000 DOLLAR COST OF A RECALL 2552 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,000 ELECTION AND THE CONSERVATIVE 2553 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,000 POL, 2554 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,000 REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DARRELL 2555 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,000 ISSA. 2556 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,000 >> THIS IS ESSENTIALLY 2557 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,000 TANTAMOUNT TO A RIGHT-WING 2558 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,000 COUP. >> Reporter: THE SAN FRANCISCO 2559 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,000 CONSULTANT ADVISING THE GROUP 2560 01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,000 ADMITS THEY'RE GETTING A LATE 2561 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,000 START. 2562 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,000 >> AT THE POINT THAT HE 2563 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,000 ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS GOING TO 2564 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:28,000 PUT IN LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO 2565 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,000 DATE OVER THREE-QUARTERS OF A 2566 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,000 MILLION DOLLARS TO QUALIFY 2567 01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,000 THIS THING FOR THE BALLOT. 2568 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,000 WE BEGAN TO REALLY TAKE THIS 2569 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,000 THING SERIOUSLY. >> Reporter: BUT NOW WITH 2570 01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,000 NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS OF 2571 01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,000 HIS OWN THE GROUP IS PLANNING 2572 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,000 AN ALL-OUT ASSAULT INCLUDING 2573 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,000 RADIO AND TV ADS. 2574 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,000 >> YOU WILL SEE A FULL FLEDGED 2575 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000 CAMPAIGN RUNNING ON EVERY 2576 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,000 CYLINDER. 2577 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,000 >> Reporter: BUT THEY HAVE 2578 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,000 THEIR WORK CUT OUT FOR THEM 2579 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,000 EVEN IN HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC SAN 2580 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000 FRANCISCO. 2581 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,000 28% OF VOTERS POLLED GIVE THE 2582 01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,000 GOVERNOR FAILING MARKS FOR HIS 2583 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,000 OVERALL PERFORMANCE. AND THE RECALL EFFORT SAYS IT 2584 01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,000 ALREADY HAS 700,000 OF THE 2585 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,000 900,000 SIGNATURES NEEDED TO 2586 01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,000 GET ON THE BALLOT THIS FALL. 2587 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,000 >> HERE IN CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR 2588 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,000 GRAY DAVIS -- 2589 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,000 >> Reporter: THEY'RE HOPING A 2590 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,000 NEW RADIO CAMPAIGN WILL PUT 2591 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,000 THEM OVER THE TOP. 2592 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,000 >> AT THE END OF THE DAY 2593 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,000 CALIFORNIA VOTERS WILL REJECT 2594 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,000 THIS. >> Reporter: ROZ PLATER, 2595 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,000 CHANNEL 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS. 2596 01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,000 >>> IT'S BEEN NEARLY 24 HOURS 2597 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,000 SINCE THE CONSTITUTIONAL 2598 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,000 DEADLINE LAPSED FOR STATE 2599 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,000 LAWMAKERS TO PASS A BUDGET. 2600 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,000 CALIFORNIA FACES A $38 BILLION 2601 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,000 DEFICIT AND LEGISLATORS HAVE 2602 01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,000 YET TO ADOPT A NEW BUDGET. 2603 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,000 >>> LAWMAKERS MET TODAY BUT 2604 01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,000 BOTH PARTIES SEEMED STUCK ON 2605 01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,000 THEIR POSITIONS. 2606 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,000 DEMOCRATS WANT TO RAISE TAXES, 2607 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000 REPUBLICANS WANT TO CUT 2608 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,000 SPENDING. 2609 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,000 >> OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER 2610 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,000 SIDE OF THE AISLE CONTINUE TO 2611 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,000 SPEND MONEY THAT WE DON'T 2612 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:48,000 HAVE. 2613 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,000 FRANKLY DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE 2614 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,000 PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. 2615 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,000 WE DO NOT IN FACT HAVE A 2616 01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,000 REVENUE PROBLEM WE HAVE A 2617 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,000 SPENDING PROBLEM. 2618 01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,000 >> REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS ARE 2619 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,000 UNWILLING TO PUT UP A VOTE ON 2620 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,000 REVENUES WHICH WE KNOW WE'LL 2621 01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,000 HAVE TO DO IN THE END I THINK. 2622 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,000 >> TAXES. 2623 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,000 >> EXACTLY. 2624 01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:07,000 >> NOW IF A NEW BUDGET ISN'T 2625 01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,000 PASSED BY JULY FIRST, THERE 2626 01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,000 COULD BE SOME STATE LAYOFFS. 2627 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,000 >>> WELL, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC 2628 01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,000 BISHOP OF PHOENIX IS FACING 2629 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,000 SOME POSSIBLE CHARGES FOR HIS 2630 01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,000 ROLE IN A FATAL HIT-AND-RUN 2631 01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,000 ACCIDENT. 2632 01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,000 67-YEAR-OLD BISHOP THOMAS 2633 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,000 O'BRIEN WAS ARRESTED TODAY. 2634 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,000 HE'S ACCUSED OF DRIVING ONE OF 2635 01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,000 TWO CARS THAT STRUCK AND 2636 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,000 KILLED A PEDESTRIAN SATURDAY 2637 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:28,000 NIGHT. 2638 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,000 BOTH VEHICLES LEFT THE SCENE. 2639 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:32,000 >> THE BISHOP IS COOPERATING 2640 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,000 WITH THE INVESTIGATORS AND 2641 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,000 SPEAKING TO THEM. 2642 01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,000 HE DOES STATE THAT HE WAS OUT 2643 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,000 THAT EVENING DRIVING THE VEHICLE AROUND AND IN THAT 2644 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,000 AREA. HE ALSO STATES THAT HE'S THE 2645 01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,000 ONLY PERSON THAT DRIVES THAT 2646 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,000 CAR. >> Reporter: KILLED IN THAT 2647 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,000 HIT-AND-RUN 43-YEAR-OLD JIM 2648 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:46,000 REED. 2649 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,000 EYEWITNESSES REPORTED 2650 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,000 O'BRIEN'S LICENSE NUMBER WHEN 2651 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,000 HIS VEHICLE WAS SEIZED BY 2652 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,000 POLICE ITS WINDSHIELD WAS 2653 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,000 FOUND CAVED IN. 2654 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,000 BISHOP O'BRIEN RECENTLY 2655 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:56,000 AVOIDED PROSECUTION ON CHARGES 2656 01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,000 OF COVERING UP SEXUAL ABUSE BY 2657 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,000 PRIESTS IN HIS DIOCESES. 2658 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,000 >>> THE WAR IN IRAQ MAY 2659 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,000 TECHNICALLY BE OVER BUT 2660 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,000 HOSTILE ATTACKç÷.!Q8T?p. 2661 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,000 >> THEN IT COMES DOWN AND 2662 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,000 SNAPS INTO PLACE LIKE THAT. 2663 01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,000 >> Reporter: KETTER FROM 2664 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,000 INDIANA IS DRIVING FROM SAN 2665 01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,000 FRANCISCO TO NEW YORK. 2666 01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,000 >> TO START OUT WE PULL THIS 2667 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,000 BACK. 2668 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,000 >> Reporter: IN A 1903 WINTON 2669 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000 TOURING CAR HE PLANS RETRACE 2670 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,000 THE TRIP OF DR. JACKSON. 2671 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,000 >> ON THE AFTERNOON OF MAY 2672 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,000 23rd, 1903, THEY WERE READY TO 2673 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,000 GO. >> Reporter: FILMMAKER KEN 2674 01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,000 BURNS FOLLOWS JACKSON ON THE 2675 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,000 TWO MONTH TREK IN A NEW 2676 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:38,000 DOCUMENTARY. 2677 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,000 >> THE TWO MEN STARTED DOWN 2678 01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,000 SAN FRANCISCO'S MARKET STREET. 2679 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,000 >> Reporter: JACKSON HAD NO 2680 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,000 &PS AND NO EXPERIENCE JUST A 2681 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,000 MECHANIC AND STRAY DOG. 2682 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,000 HE WAS DRIVEN BY SHEER DESIRE 2683 01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,000 AND FUELED BY A GOOD SENSE OF 2684 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,000 HUMOR. 2685 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:54,000 >> I THINK THE RATIO REPRESENTS 2686 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,000 OPTIMISM. 2687 01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,000 EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG 2688 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,000 ON THIS TRIP DOES GO WRONG. 2689 01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,000 >> HE LOST HIS GLASSES AND HIS 2690 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000 MONEY AND HIS OVERCOAT. 2691 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:06,000 HE LOST HIS COOKING UTENSILS. 2692 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,000 IT WAS HILARIOUS THING. 2693 01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000 >> Reporter: COMMITTEESLING 2694 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:13,000 WILL HAVE IT EASIER WITH PAVED 2695 01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,000 ROADS AND A FEW EXTRA PARTS 2696 01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,000 INCLUDING AN AUTOMATIC 2697 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,000 STARTER. 2698 01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,000 ORIGINAL WINTON IS IN 2699 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,000 SMITHSONIAN BUT THIS IS THE 2700 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,000 SAME CAR IT RUNS ON A TWO 2701 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,000 CYLINDER ENGINE. 2702 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000 >> WE CAN GO FROM 0 TO 40 IF 2703 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:27,000 THE ROAD IS FLAT AND THERE'S 2704 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,000 NO TRAFFIC. 2705 01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,000 >> WE TOOK THAT ROAD FOR 2706 01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,000 MILES. >> Reporter: 100 YEARS AGO 2707 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,000 THERE WERE NO BIG RIGS TO 2708 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,000 CONTEND WITH AND GAS WAS 2709 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,000 THEREOF CENTS A GALLON. 2710 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000 BUT THE SPIRIT BEHIND THE 2711 01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,000 JOURNEY REMAINS THE SAME. 2712 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000 >> I ALSO THINK THIS NOTION OF 2713 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,000 EXPLORATION OF DISCOVERY IS AT 2714 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000 THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE. 2715 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000 >> Reporter: PETER KESLING 2716 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:47,000 WILL PULL INTO NEW YORK CITY 2717 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,000 ON JULY 26th THE SAME DAY 2718 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,000 NELSON JACKSON ENDED HIS 2719 01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,000 JOURNEY AND STARTED AN 2720 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,000 AMERICAN SUMMERTIME TRADITION. 2721 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,000 SUE KWAN, CHANNEL 5 EYEWITNESS 2722 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,000 NEWS. >> TAKE YOUR TIME. 2723 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,000 SIT BACK. 2724 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,000 ENJOY THE SCENERY. 2725 01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,000 >> SURPRISED TO HEAR GAS WAS 2726 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,000 ONLY 35 CENTS A GALLON BACK 2727 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000 THEN. IT'S A GOOD THING GAS HASN'T 2728 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,000 GONE UP AS MUCH AS HOUSING 2729 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,000 PRICES IN THE BAY AREA. 2730 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,000 >> WE WOULD BE POOR. 2731 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,000 >> YEAH. 2732 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:13,000 COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS A 2733 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,000 GALLON PLEASE. HERE WE GO ARE. 2734 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:16,000 READY YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS 2735 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,000 WHENEVER I DO THIS THAT MEANS 2736 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,000 IT'S GOING TO GET HOT 2737 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,000 SOMEWHERE IN THE BAY AREA 2738 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,000 LET'S GO. 2739 01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,000 THESE WERE TEMPERATURES FROM AROUND THE BAY AREA TODAY. 2740 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,000 WE HAD SOME 90s BUT YOU KNOW 2741 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,000 INTERESTINGLY IT'S ONLY THE 2742 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,000 BAY AREA FRIENDS ONE OF ONLY A 2743 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,000 COUPLE PLACES IN THE ENTIRE 2744 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,000 WORLD WHERE YOU CAN GO FROM 2745 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:36,000 90s TO 60s IN ABOUT 30 OR 40 2746 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,000 MILES. 60s ALONG THE COAST TODAY. 2747 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,000 SO HERE'S THE DEAL. 2748 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,000 T IN THE PACIFIC THIS IS A 2749 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,000 MONSTER OF A STORM FOR THIS 2750 01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,000 TIME OF THE YEAR. IT WILL MOVE INTO THE PACIFIC 2751 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000 NORTHWEST PROBABLY EVENTUALLY 2752 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,000 BRING SOME RAIN TO EXTREME 2753 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,000 NORTHRN CALIFORNIA. 2754 01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,000 UP AROUND THE REDWOOD COAST 2755 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,000 MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. 2756 01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:52,000 FOR US IT'S GOING TO COOL US 2757 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,000 DOWN EVENTUALLY. 2758 01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,000 IN THE MEANTIME, TONIGHT 2759 01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,000 MOSTLY CLEAR WE'RE SEEING A 2760 01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,000 LITTLE PATCHY FOG ALONG THE 2761 01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,000 COAST. 2762 01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,000 WARM INLAND FOR YOUR TUESDAY. 2763 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,000 AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. 2764 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,000 IF IT GETS TOO HOT FOR YOU 2765 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,000 INLAND JUST HEAD FOR THE 2766 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,000 COAST. 60s THERE AGAIN WITH SOME 2767 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,000 PATCHY FOG. 2768 01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,000 AROUND THE REST OF THE STATE 2769 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,000 BY THE WAY, TAHOE 83, LOS 2770 01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,000 ANGELES 78, NORTH COAST 60 2771 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,000 DEGREES AND YOUR BAY AREA 2772 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,000 TEMPERATURES PLEASE WE'LL 2773 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,000 START THE TOUR SANTA CRUZ NICE 2774 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,000 DAY TOMORROW 71. 2775 01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,000 MORGAN HILL 87, GILROY 8. 2776 01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:26,000 SAN JOSE WILL SEE A HIGH 2777 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:27,000 TEMPERATURE TOMORROW NOT QUITE 2778 01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,000 AS HOT AS IT WAS TODAY. 2779 01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,000 LET'S GO WITH 82. 2780 01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,000 84 DEGREES SUNNYVALE. 2781 01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:34,000 FREMONT 84 DEGREES. 2782 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,000 MOUNTAIN VIEW WITH 80. 2783 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,000 SAN FRANCISCO SHOULD CHECK IN 2784 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,000 WITH A LITTLE FOG IN THE 2785 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,000 MORNING OTHERWISE 69 FOR A 2786 01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,000 HIGH TEMPERATURE. 2787 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:43,000 LOW 60s SAN MATEO COUNTY 2788 01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,000 COASTLINE. OAKLAND AT 78. 2789 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,000 SAN LEANDRO 79. 2790 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,000 NOW WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE 2791 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,000 CENTRAL VALLEY OBVIOUSLY WE'RE 2792 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,000 GOING TO BE WARMING UP. 2793 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,000 CONCORD, FOR EXAMPLE, 95. 2794 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,000 WALNUT CREEK 94 BUT THEN 2795 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,000 ANTIOCH AT 96 FOR TOMORROW. 2796 01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,000 NORTH BAY WE RUN THE GAMUT 60s 2797 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,000 COASTSIDE TO 80s WELL INLAND. 2798 01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,000 AWAY YOU GO. 2799 01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,000 SO TOMORROW IS THE HOT ONE. 2800 01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,000 NOT QUITE AS HOT AS TODAY 2801 01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,000 INLAND BUT GIVEN THE TIME OF 2802 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,000 THE YEAR PRETTY WARM. 2803 01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,000 THEN WE KNOCK THEM DOWN COME 2804 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,000 WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WE SORT OF LEVEL OUT FROM 2805 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,000 THERE. >> AND FOLKS IF YOU GET REALLY 2806 01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,000 HOT JUST COME BY THE STUDIO 2807 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,000 BECAUSE IT'S FREEZING IN HERE. 2808 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,000 >> AS ALWAYS PERFECT RIGHT 2809 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,000 NOW. 2810 01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,000 >> PERFECT. THANK YOU. 2811 01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,000 >>> WHEN WE COME BACK, 2812 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,000 REMEMBERING HUME CRONYN. 2813 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000 SEVEN DECADES OF A GREAT 2814 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:34,000 ACTOR. N8$0y 2815 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,000 LISTEN TO THIS. 2816 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,000 I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. 2817 01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:44,000 HILLARY CLINTON IS ON THE SHOW 2818 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,000 TONIGHT. 2819 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,000 ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 2820 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,000 I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS, BUT 2821 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,000 APPARENTLY SHE'S WRITTEN A 2822 01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,000 BOOK. 2823 01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:00,000 ( LAUGHTER) 2824 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,000 IF YOU HAD TOLD ME THREE AND A 2825 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,000 HALF YEARS AGO THAT HILLARY 2826 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000 CLINTON WOULD BE BACK ON THIS 2827 01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:07,000 SHOW, I WOULD HAVE SAID, WE'LL 2828 01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:08,000 BE ON THE AIR IN THREE AND A 2829 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,000 HALF YARS? 2830 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000 REALLY? REALLY? 2831 01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,000 THAT'S POSSIBL THIS BOOK, AND THE THING IS 2832 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,000 LIKE A BLOCKBUSTER, IT'S SOLD 2833 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,000 LIKE 200,000 COPIES. 2834 01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,000 AND SHE'S BEEN ON OTHER SHOWS, 2835 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,000 SHE WAS ON THE LARRY KING LIVE 2836 01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,000 SHOW, YOU KNOW, LARRY KING, 2837 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,000 THAT HUMP. 2838 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,000 ( LAUGHTER) 2839 01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,000 SHE WAS ALSO ON THE CHARLIE 2840 01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,000 ROSE SHOW. 2841 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,000 >> Paul: YES, SHE DID CHARLIE 2842 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,000 ROSE. 2843 01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,000 >> Dave: SHE WAS ON THE TODAY 2844 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,000 SHOW, A MULTI PART INTERVIEW 2845 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,000 ON THE TODAY SHOW WITH DAY TEE 2846 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,000 COURIC, AND NOW HERE SHE IS 2847 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,000 WITH ME. 2848 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,000 AND I, WHAT DO I KNOW? 2849 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,000 >> Paul: YEAH. 2850 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,000 >> Dave: I GOT NOTHING TO SAY. 2851 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,000 >> Paul: WHAT DO YOU KNOW? 2852 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,000 >> Dave: WELL, I'LL ASK HER 2853 01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:48,000 ABOUT THE TYPE FACE. 2854 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,000 ( LAUGHTER) 2855 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,000 THINGS LIKE THAT. 2856 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,000 >> Paul: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT 2857 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,000 TO ASK HER? 2858 01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,000 BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S BEEN 2859 01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:58,000 COVERED. >> Dave: BUT THE BIG PROBLEM 2860 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,000 IS, WELL, YOU KNOW THIS OR NOT, 2861 01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,000 YOU'RE DEALING WITH A DUMB GUY. 2862 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,000 >> Paul: NO NO NO, WHAT MAKES 2863 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,000 YOU SAY THAT? 2864 01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,000 >> Dave: WELL, BECAUSE I'VE 2865 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,000 HAD 56 YEARS OF LIFE 2866 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,000 EXPERIENCE TO SUPPORT THAT POINT OF VIEW. 2867 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:14,000 AND HERE, HILL RODHAM CLINTON 2868 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,000 WILL COME OUT AND BE 2869 01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,000 SENATORIAL AND I'LL JUST BE 2870 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,000 LIKE A DUCK. 2871 01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:22,000 >> Paul: NO, S YOU DON'T HAVE 2872 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000 A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT 2873 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,000 YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO JUSTICE 2874 01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,000 TO HER IN THE INTERVIEW, IS 2875 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,000 THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? 2876 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,000 >> Dave: YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE 2877 01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,000 THAT. I THINK IN THE END IT WILL BE 2878 01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:32,000 FINE BECAUSE FROM THE SECOND 2879 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,000 SHE SITS OWN SHE WON'T STOP 2880 01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,000 TALKING. 2881 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,000 >> Paul: OKAY. 2882 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000 >> Dave: AND I'LL SIT HERE 2883 01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000 LIKE THIS AND GO, OH YEAH. 2884 01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,000 LIKE I'M 2885 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,000 WERE HERE YOU WANTEDO BE 2886 01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,000 SENATOR. 2887 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,000 NOW YOU ARE SENATOR. 2888 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:46,000 HOW IS THAT GOING? 2889 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,000 >> NOT BAD. 2890 01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,000 NOT BAD. 2891 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:49,000 YOU KNOW. 2892 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,000 >> Dave: ARE YOU ENJOYING IT? 2893 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,000 >> YEAH, I REALLY AM. 2894 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000 IT'S VERY HARD WORK, BUT I 2895 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,000 LOVE REPRESENTING NEW YORK, 2896 01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,000 YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PLACE 2897 01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,000 LIKE IT IN THE WORD. 2898 01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,000 AND I HAVE THE HONOR OF DOING 2899 01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,000 THAT EVERY DAY, IT'S A GREAT 2900 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:02,000 PRIVILEGE. >> Dave: AND I GUESS IN SOME 2901 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,000 CASES THE DYNAMIC EXISTS WHERE 2902 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,000 BY YOU'RE NOW WORKING WITH IT 2903 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,000 AGAINST PEOPLE THAT AT ONE 2904 01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:09,000 POINT YOU CONSIDERED ENEMI 2905 01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:10,000 OR REGARDED AS TROUBLE IN YOUR 2906 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,000 LIFE? 2907 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,000 HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THOSE 2908 01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,000 SITUATIONS? >> IT TAKES TIME, BUT I AM, 2909 01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,000 I'M WORKING WITH A LOT OF 2910 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE FROM 2911 01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,000 ME. 2912 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,000 AND WHERE WE CAN WE WORK 2913 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,000 TOGETHER, AND WE TRY TO DO 2914 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,000 THINGS THAT WE BOTH BELIEVE 2915 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,000 WILL HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS. 2916 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:28,000 BUT IT'S NOT EASY, BUT I HAVE 2917 01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:30,000 FOUND A LOT OF THE REPUBLICAN 2918 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:31,000 SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE 2919 01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,000 HOUSE WHO I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE 2920 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,000 TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRETTY 2921 01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,000 GOOD GUYS, GOOD TO WORK WITH, 2922 01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,000 AND WHEN EVER I CAN I DO. 2923 01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,000 >> Dave: IT'S INTERESTING TO 2924 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,000 ME, AS I MENTIONED THIS AT THE 2925 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:42,000 TOP OF THE SHOW, I KNOW 2926 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,000 NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS, I JUST 2927 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,000 SIT HERE AND WATCH IT GO BY. 2928 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,000 ( LAUGHTER) 2929 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,000 AND IT LOOKED FOR A LONG TIME 2930 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,000 LIKE THE DEMOCRATS WERE GOING 2931 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,000 TO BE IN POWER FOREVER. 2932 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:54,000 YOU KNOW, IT JUST HAD THAT 2933 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,000 FEELING, JUST HAD THAT LOOK. 2934 01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,000 AND NOW, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT 2935 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,000 THE GUYS WHO HAVE SAID THAT 2936 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,000 THEY WANT TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT 2937 01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:06,000 IN 04 AND YOU THINK, OH. 2938 01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,000 AS A DEMOCRAT, AND A WOMAN... 2939 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:14,000 ( APPLAUSE) 2940 01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,000 AS A WOMAN WHO SPENT EIGHT 2941 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,000 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE IN THE 2942 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,000 WHITE HOUSE, THE HIGHEST 2943 01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,000 POSITION IN THE WORLD, WHAT IS 2944 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,000 YOUR ASSESSMENT NOW OF YOUR 2945 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,000 TEAMMATES WHO MIGHT BE RUNNING 2946 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,000 FOR THE OFFICE IN 04? 2947 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,000 >> I HAVE A HIGH ESTIMATE FOR 2948 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,000 THEM, AND I THINK WE HAVE A 2949 01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,000 VERY GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING IN 2950 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,000 04. I KNOW THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE 2951 01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:33,000 SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW MAY SEE 2952 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,000 THAT, BUT I THINK WHEN IT GETS 2953 01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,000 TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S 2954 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,000 HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ECONOMY 2955 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,000 AND OTHER ISSUES, I THINK WE 2956 01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,000 HAVE A GOOD SHOT. 2957 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,000 >> Dave: WHO DO YOU LIKE OUT 2958 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,000 OF THE GROUP? >> I LIKE THEM ALL. 2959 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,000 ( LAUGHTER) 2960 01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,000 >> Dave: EVEN DENNIS KUCINICH? 2961 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000 >> I KNOW THEM ALL, I LIKE 2962 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,000 THEM ALL, AND I'M GOING TO 2963 01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:54,000 SUPPORT WHOEVER THE NOMINEE 2964 01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,000 IS. 2965 01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:56,000 I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT IT 2966 01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,000 TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET KNOWN 2967 01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,000 IN THE COUNTRY, AND FOR PEOPLE 2968 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,000 TO MEET EVERYBODY AND FOR THE 2969 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,000 ELECTORATE TO TUNE IN. 2970 01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,000 WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER THINGS ON 2971 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,000 OUR MINDS, LIKE CLEMENS 2972 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,000 WINNING 300, I WAS THRILLED 2973 01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,000 THAT HE WAS ON THE SHOW AND I 2974 01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,000 GOT TO MEET HIM AND 2975 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,000 CONGRATULATE HIM. 2976 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:12,000 ( APPLAUSE) 2977 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,000 >> Dave: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 2978 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,000 THE ECONOMY, YOU MENTIONED IT, 2979 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,000 WE'RE LOSING 70,000 JOBS A 2980 01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,000 MONTH, SOME REMARKABLE 2981 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,000 STATISTIC LIKE THAT. 2982 01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,000 THE ECONOMY NOT WITH STANDING 2983 01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,000 IF IN FACT YOU CAN EVEN SAY 2984 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,000 THAT, IS GEORGE W. BUSH 2985 01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:27,000 INVINCEIBLE FOR 04? 2986 01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:28,000 >> NO. 2987 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000 IN A DEMOCRACY NOBODY IS. 2988 01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:31,000 OBVIOUSLY, HE'S IN A STRONG 2989 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,000 POSITION, HE'S GOING TO HAVE A 2990 01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,000 LOT OF RESOURCES. 2991 01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:36,000 BUT EVENTUALLY PEOPLE LOOK AT 2992 01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,000 THE EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT'S 2993 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,000 HAPPENING IN THEIR OWN LIVES. 2994 01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,000 AND I THINK THIS ECONOMY, 2995 01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,000 UNFORTUNATELY, IS GOING TO 2996 01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,000 STAY IN A STAGNANT POSITION, 2997 01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,000 IT'S NOT CREATING JOBS, MORE 2998 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,000 PEOPLE ARE OUTS OF WORK FOR 2999 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,000 LONGER PERIODS OF TIME, WE'VE 3000 01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,000 GOT MORE PEOPLE FALLING BACK 3001 01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,000 INTO POVERTY. 3002 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,000 THERE ARE SOME REAL PROBLEMS, 3003 01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:55,000 AND THEY'RE NOT BEING DEBT 3004 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:56,000 WITH IN MY OPINION. 3005 01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,000 >> Dave: DO THE DEMOCRATS, 3006 01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,000 SPECIFICALLY THIS GROUP OF 3007 01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,000 GUYS, ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE 3008 01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE DECLARED THEY 3009 01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,000 WANT TO RUN, DO THEY HAVE THE 3010 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,000 SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM? 3011 01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,000 >> WELL, I THINK IF THEY GET A 3012 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,000 CHANCE TO BE HER THEY'VE GOT 3013 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,000 SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS. 3014 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:08,000 WE SHOULD GO BACK TO HAVING 3015 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,000 SOME FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY IN 3016 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,000 THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 3017 01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:12,000 GOING INTO THESE HUGE DEFICITS 3018 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,000 AND DEBT, WHICH IS NOT GOOD 3019 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,000 FOR PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND JOB 3020 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,000 CREATION. WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER THAN 3021 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,000 WE ARE. >> Dave: HOW MUCH OF THE 3022 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,000 ECONOMY'S CIRCUMSTANCES NOW IS THE RESULTS OF A THE ATTACK 3023 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,000 9/11 AND CYCLIC AL FINANCIAL 3024 01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,000 CIRCUMSTANCES? 3025 01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:30,000 >> YOU'RE SO SMART. 3026 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,000 ( APPLAUSE) >> Dave: YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 3027 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,000 >> YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TWO 3028 01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,000 FACTORS THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE 3029 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,000 INFLUENCED WHERE WE ARE. 3030 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,000 BUT THEY DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR 3031 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,000 THE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS IN THE 3032 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,000 BUDGET THAT WE HAVE NOW. 3033 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,000 WHATEVER YOU THINK ABOUT TAX 3034 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,000 CUTS, THEY SHOULD BE 3035 01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:52,000 AFFORDABLE, I DON'T THINK YOU 3036 01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,000 SHOULD BE RUNNING A GOVERNMENT 3037 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,000 ON YOUR CREDIT CARD, LIKE I 3038 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,000 DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE 3039 01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,000 LIVING YOUR LIFE ON YOUR 3040 01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,000 CREDIT CARD AND WHEN DO YOU 3041 01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,000 YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS. 3042 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,000 SO 9/11 CERTAINLY HAS HAD ANTE 3043 01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:04,000 EK, PARTICULARLY HERE IN NEW 3044 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,000 YORK, THERE'S ALWAYS A 3045 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,000 BUSINESS CYCLE. 3046 01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,000 BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO MAKE 3047 01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:09,000 THESE TERRIBLE TRAGIC EVENTS 3048 01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,000 AND THE INEVITABLE EVEN WORSE 3049 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,000 THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 3050 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,000 >> Dave: DO WE HAVE A TAX 3051 01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,000 PACKAGE PASSED NOW, DID IT GO 3052 01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,000 THROUGH, IS THAT UP AND 3053 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,000 RUNNING NOW? >> WELL, YEAH, FOR PEOPLE LIKE 3054 01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,000 YOU AND ME IT'S GOING TO BE 3055 01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,000 GREAT NEWS. 3056 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,000 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S 3057 01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,000 GOING TO MEAN WE THROW 500,000 3058 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,000 KIDS OUTS OF AFTER SCHOOL, 3059 01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,000 TAKE 88,000 POLICE OFF THE 3060 01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,000 STREE AND DO A LOT OF OTHER 3061 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,000 THINGS THAT NOBODY VOTED FOR. 3062 01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:31,000 SO YOU AND I CAN FEEL, I GUESS, 3063 01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:32,000 A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE 3064 01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,000 WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME HUGE 3065 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,000 TAX CUT. 3066 01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,000 BUT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS 3067 01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,000 GOING TO GET WITH ONE HAND AND 3068 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,000 GET TAKEN AWAY WITH ANOTHER, 3069 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000 BECAUSE STATE TAXES, LOCAL 3070 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,000 TAXES, COLLEGE TUITION, OTHER 3071 01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:43,000 THGS ARE GOIN TO GO UP, AND 3072 01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,000 THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 3073 01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,000 >>ave: SO THE REPUBLICAN 3074 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,000 DEFENSE FOR THIS TAX CUT AS I 3075 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,000 UNDERSTAND IT IS, IF PEOPLE 3076 01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,000 HAVE MORE MONEY, THEY'RE MORE 3077 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,000 LIKELY TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND 3078 01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,000 THAT CREATES NEW JOBS AND THAT 3079 01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,000 HELPS EVERYBODY. 3080 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,000 THAT'S A FALL HASY? 3081 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,000 >> WELL, IT IS AT LEAST AN 3082 01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,000 OVERSTATEMENT. 3083 01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,000 BECAUSE THEIR THEORY IS IT'S 3084 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,000 THE OLD SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS, 3085 01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:03,000 IT'S THE TRICKLE DOWN, WHICH 3086 01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,000 THEY TRIED IN THE 1980s AND I 3087 01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:06,000 DON'T THINK IT WORKED ALL THAT 3088 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,000 WELL. 3089 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:08,000 WHAT THEY NOW HAVE COME BACK 3090 01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,000 AND SAID, THE MORE WE GIVE 3091 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,000 AWAY IN TAX CUTS TO PEOPLE WHO 3092 01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:12,000 ARE ALREADY WEALTHY, WE DON'T 3093 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,000 EVEN WANT TO GIVE A CHILD TAX 3094 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,000 CREDIT TO PEOPLE WHO MAKE 3095 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,000 BETWEEN 10 AND 26,000, BECAUSE 3096 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:20,000 AFTER ALL THEY DON'T PAY INCOME TAX, ALTHOUGH THEY PAY 3097 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,000 A HIGHER PROPORTION OF THEIR 3098 01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,000 INCOME IN TAXES THAN YOU AND I 3099 01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,000 DO. BECAUSE THEY PAY EVERY OTHER 3100 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,000 KIND OF TAX. 3101 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,000 BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE 3102 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,000 OF THEM. AND THE OTHER DAY IN 3103 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,000 THE NEWSPAPER THERE WAS THIS 3104 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,000 CLASSIC CASE WHERE PEOPLE WHO 3105 01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,000 AE MAKING LIKE SAY $80,000 3106 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:35,000 WHO ARE BEING GIVEN A TAX CUT, 3107 01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:36,000 THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO 3108 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,000 CHANGE THE WAY HEY CALCULATE 3109 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,000 STUDENT LOANS SO, IF THEY HAVE 3110 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:41,000 A KID IN COLLEGE THAT TAX CAN 3111 01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:42,000 YOU IS GONE BECAUSE THEY'LL 3112 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,000 HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR THE 3113 01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:44,000 STUDENTS LOANS. 3114 01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,000 IT'S A SHELL GAME. 3115 01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:46,000 SO THE RICH ARE GOING TO GET A 3116 01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,000 WHOLE LOT RICHER AND WE'RE 3117 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,000 GOING TO BE LEAVING MORE AND 3118 01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:50,000 MORE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE 3119 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,000 BEHIND. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY 3120 01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,000 AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO RUN. 3121 01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,000 >> Dave: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE 3122 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,000 INCOME OF AMERICANS? 3123 01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,000 >> THE AVERAGE INCOME IS 3124 01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:58,000 DEPENDING UPON WHERE YOU LIVE. 3125 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,000 IT'S BETWEEN IN A STATE LIKE 3126 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,000 OURS, 50, 70,000. 3127 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,000 BUT THERE ARE MANY MANY PEOPLE 3128 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:09,000 IN WHAT THEY CALL THE LOWER 3129 01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,000 25% WHO ARE GETTING BY ON LESS 3130 01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:12,000 THAN $25,000. 3131 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,000 AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS --. 3132 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,000 >> Dave: THAT'S HARD TO 3133 01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,000 IMAGINE, ISN'T IT, REALLY? 3134 01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:18,000 >> IT IS, AND I THINK WE 3135 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000 SHOULD WANT TO MAKE WORK PAY 3136 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,000 AND WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE HOR 3137 01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:22,000 GETTING UP EVERY DAY AND 3138 01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,000 WORKING HARD AND RAISING THEIR 3139 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,000 KIDS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT 3140 01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:26,000 EASIER FOR YOU, NOT HARDER FOR 3141 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,000 YOU, HARDER TO GET A JOB, 3142 01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,000 HARDER TO KEEP A JOB, HARDER 3143 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,000 TO FINE CHILD CARE, HARD TORE 3144 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,000 PAY COLLEGE TUITION. 3145 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,000 WE ARE A GREAT COUNTRY BECAUSE 3146 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000 OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE 3147 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,000 AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. 3148 01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,000 >> Dave: WELL, BY GOD, I'M 3149 01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,000 TAKING A PAY CUT. 3150 01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,000 I'M GOING TO DO MY PART. 3151 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,000 ( APPLAUSE) 3152 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,000 HOW'S THAT NEW DOG WORKING 3153 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000 OUT? 3154 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,000 IS HE ALL RIGHT? 3155 01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,000 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE WITH 3156 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,000 SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON. 3157 01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:53,000 ( APPLAUSE) 3158 01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,000 >> Dave: THIS IS THE BOOK, 3159 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:01,000 "LIVING HISTORY". 3160 01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,000 ON THE BACK I BABY AWARE OF 3161 01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:04,000 THIS, AT SOME POINT IN YOUR 3162 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,000 LIFE YOU WERE DATING GRIZZLY 3163 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,000 ADAMS. 3164 01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,000 >> THAT'S TRUE. 3165 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,000 HOW DID THAT PICTURE GET ON 3166 01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,000 THERE? 3167 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,000 >> Dave: EVERYBODY, PAUL 3168 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:17,000 INCLUDED, ASSUMES THAT YOU'RE 3169 01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,000 RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. 3170 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,000 I'VE HEARD YOU SAY ENDLESSLY 3171 01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:20,000 THAT YOU'RE NOT RUNNING FOR 3172 01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,000 PRESIDENT. 3173 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,000 HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT 3174 01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,000 RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? 3175 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,000 I MEAN, GOOD LORD IN THE BOOK 3176 01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:26,000 YOU WERE PRESIDENT OF 3177 01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000 EVERYTHING ELSE. 3178 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,000 ANY KIND OF ORGANIZATION YOU 3179 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,000 WERE THE PRESIDENT OF, AND SO 3180 01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,000 I'M WONDERING, IS THIS, AND 3181 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,000 THE OTHER THING THAT I HEARD A 3182 01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,000 LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT 3183 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,000 OVER THE WEEKEND IS THIS SETS 3184 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,000 THE RECORD STRAIGHT OF THE WHITE HOUSE YEARS. 3185 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,000 IT'S NOW ON RECORD, YOU CAN 3186 01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,000 CLOSE THE DOOR ON THAT CHAPTER 3187 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,000 OF YOUR LIFE AND GO FORWARD 3188 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:45,000 AND THEN REFER ANYBODY TO THE 3189 01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:46,000 BOOK WHEN THEY BRING UP 3190 01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:47,000 ANYTHING FROM THAT PERIOD. 3191 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,000 IS THAT ACCURATE? 3192 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,000 >> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 3193 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,000 ACTUALLY I WANT TO GO ON THE 3194 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,000 ROAD WITH PAUL. 3195 01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,000 THAT'S MY --. 3196 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,000 >> Paul: NOW YOU'RE TALKING! 3197 01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,000 SURE. ONLY THE FINEST HOTELS, ONE 3198 01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,000 NIGHT I OPEN, ONE NIGHT YOU 3199 01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,000 OPEN. >> IT'S A DEAL, TELL IT LIKE 3200 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:04,000 IT IS. 3201 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,000 >> Dave: BUT IF SAM DONALDSON 3202 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:07,000 YESTERDAY SAID YOU WERE 3203 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:09,000 RUNNING IN 04, AND YOU SAY YOU 3204 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,000 MADE A COMMITMENT TO STAY 3205 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,000 SENATOR. 3206 01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,000 WOULD YOU RUN IN 08? 3207 01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,000 >> I SAID I HAVE NO INTENTION 3208 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:16,000 TO RUN. 3209 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,000 >> Dave: BUT HAVE YOU EVER 3210 01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,000 TOLD LIKE YOUR HUSBAND, YOU 3211 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,000 KNOW, ONE DAY I WOULD REALLY 3212 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,000 LIKE TO BE PRESIDENT, HAVE YOU 3213 01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,000 EVER TOLD ANYBODY THAT, 3214 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:23,000 WHETHER OR NOT YOU RUN OR NOT? 3215 01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:25,000 NO, YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU 3216 01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,000 THAT? >> Dave: WELL, YEAH. 3217 01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,000 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, EVEN IF 3218 01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:30,000 YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU 3219 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,000 COULD TELL US WITHOUT 3220 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:33,000 COMMITTING ABOUT IT. 3221 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:34,000 >> OBVIOUSLY I SAW IT FOR 3222 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,000 EIGHT YEARS, AND IN A VERY 3223 01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,000 FRONT ROW SEAT. 3224 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,000 AND IT IS A REALLY HARD JOB. 3225 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:45,000 YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT, 3226 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:47,000 FOCUSED, LET'S SAY, THAT'S THE 3227 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,000 NICEST WORD TO TAKE THIS ON. 3228 01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:50,000 BECAUSE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 3229 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,000 IT, OUR COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE 3230 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,000 TWO PEOPLE WHO SHARE THE 3231 01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,000 RESPONSIBILITIES. 3232 01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,000 EVERYBODY ELSE HAS LIKE A KING 3233 01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:56,000 OR A QUEEN AND A PRIME 3234 01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,000 MINISTER AND A PRESIDENT OR A 3235 01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:58,000 PRIME MINISTER. 3236 01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,000 WE PUT THE ENTIRE BURDEN ONTO 3237 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,000 ONE PERSON. 3238 01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,000 IT'S AN AWESOME AND 3239 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,000 OVERWELLING RESPONSIBILITY. 3240 01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,000 >> Dave: NOW, COULD YOU RUN 3241 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,000 FOR PRESIDEN BERTS IN 04, 3242 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,000 LET'S SAY YOU'RE NOT RUNING IN 3243 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,000 04? >> I'M NOT. 3244 01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,000 >> Dave: HYPOTHETICALLY 3245 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,000 SPEAKING YOU'RE RUNING IN 08, 3246 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:15,000 COULD YOU RUN AND GET AWAY 3247 01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,000 FROM THE TROUBLES OF YOUR 3248 01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,000 HUSBAND'S PRESIDENCY, OF HIS 3249 01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:20,000 ADMINISTRATION? OR WOULD THAT ALWAYS BE A 3250 01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,000 PROBLEM? 3251 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,000 >> WELL, I RAN FOR THE SENATE 3252 01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,000 AND WHAT I SAID WAS THAT MANY 3253 01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,000 OF THE POLICYS OF THE CLINTON 3254 01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,000 ADMINISTRATION WERE GOOD FOR 3255 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,000 AMERICA, AND I WANT TO 3256 01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:30,000 CONTINUE THOSE POLICIES, AND 3257 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,000 THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO 3258 01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,000 IN THE SENATE. 3259 01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,000 EVERYBODY HAS TO BE JUDGED ON 3260 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,000 HIS OR HER MERITS, SO I WOULD 3261 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,000 HOPE PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT ME 3262 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:38,000 NOW THAT I'M IN OFFICE MYSELF 3263 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,000 AND WILL SEE HOW I VOTE, SEE 3264 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:41,000 WHAT I SAY AND JUDGE ME FOR 3265 01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,000 WHAT I DO. 3266 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,000 >> Dave: LET ME ASK AWE COUPLE 3267 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,000 QUESTIONS OF THINGS THAT I 3268 01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000 REMEMBER WERE GOING ON AT THE 3269 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:49,000 TIME WHEN THERE'S WITH A THE 3270 01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,000 TROUBLE WITH PAULA JONES AND 3271 01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:52,000 TER THE TROUBLE WITH MONICA 3272 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,000 LEWINSKY. IT WAS SAID TO ME BY A HALF 3273 01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,000 DOZEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE, IF 3274 01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,000 YOUR HUSBAND AT SOME POINT HAD 3275 01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:58,000 ONLY SAID, IT'S NOBODY'S 3276 01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,000 BUSINESS, IT'S MY PERSONAL 3277 01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,000 LIFE, EVERYTHING THAT CAME 3278 01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,000 THERE AFTER MIGHT HAVE BEEN 3279 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,000 AVOIDED, THE IMPEACHMENT AND 3280 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,000 ALL THE UNPLEASANTNESS, WAS 3281 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,000 THAT TRUE, DID THAT MAKE LEGAL 3282 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,000 SENSE, WAS THAT POSSIBLE? 3283 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:11,000 >> YOU KNOW, DAVE, I DON'T 3284 01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,000 KNOW. I LOOK BACK ON THAT TIME, AND 3285 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,000 OBVIOUSLY I THINK THINGS THAT 3286 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:16,000 WERE PERSONAL AND PRIVATE 3287 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,000 SHOULD REMAIN PERSONAL AND 3288 01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:18,000 PRIVATE. 3289 01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:19,000 BUT THEY WERE UNFORTUNATELY 3290 01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,000 PUT INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA AND 3291 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:22,000 HAD TO BE DEALT WITH. 3292 01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,000 >> Dave: BUT COULD HE HAVE 3293 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,000 CONTROLLED THAT BY SAYING THIS 3294 01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:26,000 IS MY LIFE AND I DON'T 3295 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,000 IMMEDIATE TO ANSWER THIS, 3296 01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:28,000 LEGALLY WAS THAT A POSITIONE 3297 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,000 COULD HAVE TAKEN? 3298 01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,000 >> I JUST DON'T KNOW THE 3299 01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,000 ANSWER TO THAT, I REALLY 3300 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,000 DON'T. 3301 01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,000 I THINK PART OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT IT WAS AT THE END OF 3302 01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:39,000 MANY YEAR EFFORT TO TRY TO 3303 01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,000 ACCUSE HIM, ME, MANY PEOPLE OF 3304 01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:44,000 VARIOUS THINGS, AND THAT WAS 3305 01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,000 THE MINE SET THAT EVERYBODY WAS IN AT THE TIME. 3306 01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,000 >> Dave: THE OTHER SITUATION 3307 01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,000 WAS AFTER THE REVELATION OF 3308 01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,000 MONICA LEWINSKY, THE THOUGHT 3309 01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,000 WAS THAT YOU WOULD FINISH OUT 3310 01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000 THE TERM WITH YOUR HUSBAND, 3311 01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000 AND THEN LIKELY SEPARATE OR 3312 01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000 DIVORCE. WAS THAT EVER A POSSIBILITY, 3313 01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,000 DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THAT? 3314 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,000 >> WELL, CERTAINLY, IT HAD TO 3315 01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,000 CROSS MY MIND BECAUSE I WAS IN 3316 01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,000 SUCH A TERRIBLE SITUATION, 3317 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,000 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO 3318 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,000 DO. 3319 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:09,000 BUT WHAT I WRITE ABOUT IN MY 3320 01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,000 BOOK IS A DECISION THAT I MADE 3321 01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,000 ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND TO WORK 3322 01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:16,000 ON OUR MARRIAGE, TO TRY TO 3323 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,000 REPAIR IT, AND IT WAS THE 3324 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:18,000 RIGHT DECISION FOR ME. 3325 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,000 AND I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR 3326 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,000 ANYBODY ELSE. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, SHE SHOULD 3327 01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:23,000 HAVE DONE THAT, SHE SHOULD 3328 01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:25,000 HAVE DONE THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, 3329 01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:26,000 EVERYBODY HAS TO LIVE HIS OR 3330 01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,000 HER OWN LIFE. 3331 01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:28,000 AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE 3332 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:29,000 DECISIONS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR 3333 01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,000 YOU, NOT RIGHT FOR ANYBODY 3334 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,000 ELSE, AND THAT'S WHAT I TRIED 3335 01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000 TO DO. 3336 01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000 >> Dave: HOW MANY MARRIAGES IN 3337 01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,000 THIS COUNTRY HAVE ENDURED 3338 01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,000 SOMETHING SIMILAR, I WOULD 3339 01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,000 THINK IT WOULD BE A STAGGERING 3340 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:38,000 NUMBER. 3341 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,000 >> I THINK THAT EVERY MARRIAGE 3342 01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,000 IS FACED WITH CHALLENGES, NOT 3343 01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:42,000 ALL THE SAME, BUT THERE ARE 3344 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:43,000 MANY THINGS OBVIOUSLY THAT GO 3345 01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,000 ON IN A RELATIONSHIP. 3346 01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,000 AND EVERYBODY EVERY DAY HAS A 3347 01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,000 CHOICE WHETHER THEY KEEP 3348 01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,000 WORKING AND TRYING TO BUILD A 3349 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,000 RELATIONSHIP OR END IT AND 3350 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:52,000 WALK AWAY FROM IT. 3351 01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:53,000 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU 3352 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,000 JUST SAY, OKAY, THIS IS IT, 3353 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:56,000 I'M NEVER GOING TO LOOK BACK 3354 01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:57,000 ON IT. 3355 01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,000 OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN ONGOING 3356 01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,000 PROCESS. 3357 01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:00,000 >> Dave: DOES IT BOTHER YOU 3358 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,000 NOW THAT DID IT BOTHER YOU 3359 01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,000 THEN THAT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF 3360 01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,000 CONTINUE TO MAKE JOKES ABO 3361 01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:06,000 YOUR HUSBAND, IS THAT 3362 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:07,000 OUBLING TO YOU? 3363 01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:12,000 ( LAUGHTER)  3364 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,000 ( APPLAUSE) 3365 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,000 >> WELL, PART OF THE REASON I 3366 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,000 CAME ON THIS SHOW IS I DIDN'T 3367 01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,000 KNOW YOU DID. 3368 01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,000 >> Dave: OH, I SEE, YOU'RE NOT 3369 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,000 WATCHING THE SHOW THEN. 3370 01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:25,000 ALL RIGHT. 3371 01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,000 VERY FEW PEOPLE DO, SO DON'T 3372 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,000 WORRY ABOUT IT. 3373 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,000 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE 3374 01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,000 SENATOR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 3375 01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,000 ( APPLAUSE)